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[Flittie Smeddum]

I don't know whether this belongs here or in the Events forum.

For Rag 2008 or later, would organizers, or other people, be willing to put on an all-ages, G- or PG-rated event on the same night as Sin Night or Mardi Gras? As I argued in a now-deleted topic, if the leaders of Dag want under-21s to attend Ragnarok, or want parents to be comfortable sending their kids to Rag, then we need to offer them some alternatives to traditional Rag nightlife so the under-21s won't feel bored and left out. I'm not saying we should eliminate traditional Rag parties, but instead offer additional parties with a different atmosphere.

[zekew64]

I whole-heartedly agree with you, Flittie.  I can remember whole nights as a kid when the adults were having their "fun" but us kids had nothing to do....

On top of that, if there *were* an optional diversion, then most everybody else who wants to attend Mardi Gras or Sin Night can do so, since the younger ones would have a diversion to keep them occupied....

And yes, for some reason, kids today have ADD (or at least a slight form of it), so a diversion that can keep their attention for more than five minutes would definitely be a good thing!!  

I, however, never lost mi-.....

*looks out window, just in time to see a caricature of a Mini-Me of Dominus leading a whole legion of what looks like Mini-Romans*

Oh, look, midget Romans! Where, you said??  *points finger at Mini-Dominus* Right there they be!  Get 'em, boys!

[Sirilay, Innaniel]

I know we have a bardic circle, but what about something like story time for the little ones? Any Dagorhirrim know you basic street magic tricks? Informal acting troupe? Could prove entertaining for us big kids as well as the wee ones...

[Briar Rose]

Dagorhir can organize something, but people shouldn't wait for it to happen for them.  Organize your own fun!

Maybe that's the night you gather the kids in a hotel for the night and have a giant sleepover. Or maybe you get everyone together to eat dinner off-site and catch a movie. Or organize a shopping or site-seeing trip. Or decide that your camp will be Board Game Central and invite people over to play Zombies, Munchkin, Apples to Apples, etc.* Organize a game of flashlight tag. Make S'mores. Tell ghost stories. Visit all those people you've been meaning to see every year. Count stars because you can't see them that clearly at home. Etc.

If it's important to you, don't wait for someone else to organize it. I also don't think that sort of group fun should be only one or two nights.

*We had quite the game of Zombies going last year and I'd love to add more games to the list this year.  I plan to at least bring Apples to Apples. That's a challenge, Falaria, Jari and Brutilus.

Sirilay, I always like watching contact jugglers.  I can't quite drag my friend to Rag, but she's done juggling at other events from time to time. Pictures of whirling glow sticks at night are also very cool.

And drumming, at a reasonable hour.

[ May 18, 2007: Message edited by: Briar Rose ]

[Athron]

Apples to Apples > any Sin Nite, ever.

Most fun game in the mega-verse, assuming you have a hilarious, outspoken, odd-ball crowd to play with.  Now if only Dagorhir met that criteria.... ;-)

[Kyrax the Hobbled]

quote:Originally posted by Briar Rose:
Dagorhir can organize something, but people shouldn't wait for it to happen for them.  Organize your own fun!

I thought that was your point Briar - to encourage people to organize non-age restricted activities.  I mean, let's be real, the big adult oriented parties were just things that someone came up with on their own that have become "traditions".  With so many creative and inventive folks out there, I'm sure that people can come up with things that are PG-13 for nightime events.

Oops, edited to correct this to say that I meant Flittie's point.

[ May 18, 2007: Message edited by: Kyrax ]

[Ake]

Thanks Dominus,

This may seem a little odd but what about a trick-or-treat kind of thing for the little ones(I know it Mid Summer...but it can be a Summers night Dream sort of thing)....visiting every Camp like an open house of sorts for minors, uber minors and chaperones/parents, so everyone gets at least one night to really make a Tour.I t shouldn t be a dangerour experience if it is supervised correctly.

The activities around  Campfires are a great idea ...also the performing troop, plus all the Night battles and events like Eryndor s Friday night!!!

A chess tournament can take place at night, also a Domino tournament.

We can also offer non-alcoholic beverage at some parties and ID in some way the minors.
Ake

[Unconsun]

Well I consulted my 8 year old and he gave some interesting ideas. How about a root beer party.  How about giving out beads to kids that do something. Example make a funny face, get on stage and tell a funny joke. He loved the flashlight tag idea. Maybe some of the older kids could do some boffer fighting. ect I love this idea. aster

[Fireburnspaper]

I unfortunately won't be around for this years Rag, but I'd love to help out in any way I can with the planning of things so I can enjoy those things next year. I've never been a drinker (I'm weird enough as is..) and I happen to love children, so I think it could be fun to help out with the alternative 'parties' that may go on for the youngsters.

[Sir Mirelle of Narnia]

That sounds great for the youngins, but don't forget the 13-20 year olds. They might have alittle more grown up tastes. Just saying because alot of the stuff mentioned seems more geared towards the little dagorhirans.

[Fireburnspaper]

I vote for a slew of D&D or other tabletop games of some variety. Make our own little gaming convention one night out of the week =D ... though I think the prospect of D&D would draw too many people. No one would want to enjoy Sin Night.

Obviously there'd have to be a lot of GMs running things, but there could easily be varied levels of 'experience'. Might be some peoples' first time playing after all.  I'd gladly volunteer to run a short 3-4 session campaign over the course of the week. Of course I have no idea how many GMs there are in dagorhir that would be willing to dedicate some of their nights to running a short campaign for 5-6 people.


Of course, this is all just speculation - as I've never been to a Rag so I have no idea what can and can't be accomplished - but at the same time that at least means there's nothing hindering my brainstorming =D.

[Ake]

Pox!!!You  vote for a slew of D&D or other tabletop games of some variety...you perverse maniac, that s a great idea indeed;but it only solves half of the problem hehehe
Ake

[Fireburnspaper]

quote:Originally posted by Akeron:
Pox!!!You  vote for a slew of D&D or other tabletop games of some variety...you perverse maniac, that s a great idea indeed;but it only solves half of the problem hehehe
Ake

D&D can solve the world's problems. What is this 'other half' of the problem of which you speak!

[Ake]

the stick jocks that don t care about playing any rpg hahahaha!
Ake


 

quote:Originally posted by Pox:


D&D can solve the world's problems. What is this 'other half' of the problem of which you speak!

[Namtar]

I think Flittie was talking more about the under 21 fighters who attend. (atleast thats what it sounded like) I know we have alot of High Schoolers interested, but there is simply not that much for them (or non party/drinkers like me) to do in the off hours.

I think Pox is on to the right idea with DnD and things like that. Maybe just making things like DnD and the bardic cirlce more well known would help. I for one didn't even know when/where stuff like that was taking place last year.

How about some sort of Larpish thing, such as a drama (yes, the inner geek just came out). Could have volunteers reinact seens from LotR, or something. Or heck, even do some Shakespeare or something. I saw a great company do Midsummer's Night's Dream this year, they did it in the real old style, where they didn't reherse their lines much first. Something like that could be fun.

Edit: Just realised how many times i said Something. Sorry, very late and tired.

[ May 19, 2007: Message edited by: Namtaru ]

[Lyradil]

Honestly, you could do card games.. maybe have some of the MtG freaks teach some of the younger people to play.  I know I started playing Magic when I was like 12-ish.  You've also got all the other card games out there.  Not to mention blackjack/poker and stuff like that.

Maybe have a not-so-sin night for the younger ones where they can play games for 'chips' and trade these in for certain prizes.  I dunno.. that would take some thinking and planning, but it's an idea.

[Seosamh MacSeafra]

as someone under 21 that is interested,

i think that some form of gaming thing (thats what this topic seems to be moving to) after fighting would be great fun there could be mtg dnd and other games that i dont know about, i would also volunteer to run some dnd games.

if this doesnt happen ill probably just to bed early.

[Aondor]

you could alwyas play risk the greatest game ever.

[M. Angus Maccius]

A variation on the card/board games is one I've quite literally become addicted to is called Pirates of the Spanish Main by WizKids Games (URL=http://www.wizkidsgames.com/pirates]www.wizkidsgames.com/pirates[/URL]). It's very easy to learn and can entertain for hours (and still keeps a midevil theme going...LOL). Another one is Pirates Dice, based off of Pirate of the Caribbean-Dead Man's Chest...

My 2 Cp worth
Angus MacKay[

[Fireburnspaper]

Prizes from chips and such like that wouldn't be terribly hard. A) The dollar store has some amazing little tid bits that are just amusing to give out as cheap little gifts, then of course B) - being -THE- Dagorhir event; There's also the option of having some of our more talented foam smiths make and donate some gear. It could easily work on a graded system like one does at Chuck E. Cheese while handing in tickets, instead of getting crappy sunglasses and a kaleidescope you get daggers, swords, javs, 'small' reds, punch shields etc. The 'cost' would be relative to how much time/materials the item takes to make (on average). Again, I won't be around this year for Rag, but I have a whole year of perfecting my foam smithing techniques - so I'd be more than happy to offer my services. Perhaps some of the older members may even want to donate a piece of gear on a 'ceremonial' basis - Get a whole bunch of chips and you can 'buy' a legendary piece of gear from an old fogie, <Insert mandatory Graymael-being-old Joke here>.

For a BUNCH of coins/tickets/whatever - maybe some of the folks at merchant square could offer small donations or coupons to high-winners (depending on what 'categories' of game/event there are.)

Of course...Such an awesomely good time would create another problem - Not enough people going to Sin Night <Snicker>


EDIT: HAha, Pirates of the Spanish Main rocks.

[ May 19, 2007: Message edited by: Pox ]

[ May 19, 2007: Message edited by: Pox ]

[Briar Rose]

People tend to wait for things to be organized by a mysterious "someone else". I just want to encourage people to do it themselves, even if it's on a much smaller scale.

I'm over 21 and pretty much all the things I suggested are things I've done/would do at a campout (mundane or not) or with friends at home. Get Ax to tell you about "four-stage-white-puffy things" sometime. Twizzlers don't roast so well, though.

I like Goblin Trick or Treat. They take anything shiney.  Gum wrappers, soda tabs, bottle caps. It's not Rag if the Goblins haven't been by.

 

quote

you could alwyas play risk the greatest game ever.  

"So I rolled a four and a two and he rolled a three and a one and ...."

(A cookie to whoever can tell me where that's from.)

[ May 19, 2007: Message edited by: Briar Rose ]

[Ake]

But they must be accompanied by an adult....and maybe some volunteers...and yess I m volunteering for such an activity,
It would be fun to make myself understood by the underaged with my accent and  to be corrected a zillion times by kindergardeners.

I f well organized a mini-tourney for the little ones would be foam, like corless shields and coreless swords , maybe archery for the really smaller(3-5) ones and maybe something more dagorhiriish for the (6-8). I know some Dag aprents have made jr versions of weapons fort their kids to enjoy a bit of the game.

There can be also a  Jr Tourney (12-17)and/or events mirroring adult events where underaged also participate  were an abundant team of adults herald.

Giving some duties to our juniors with the permission of their guardians can be good, they can become a courier Corp between Camps and get to meet all the old sharks and old geezers before they retire due to back aches.

They can also be organized into a lost equipment relocation and retrival unit...and they can be awarded for their work as individuals or teams.

There can be also a small Festival of sorts where the most corous, larpish , garbed are selected as princess and prince of the Mid Summer Night...I know it is cliché but this gives the parents something to thing about and do with their children.

also I know I m spitting a lot of ideas and I would be probably be unable to organize anything...I don t have kids but I m fond of childrens(most of the time)and I like to work with younger people. And the reality is that I have my hands full with our first attendance to Rag...and I don t even speak english that well, so I guess I will bring my chalk and board hehehehe...and try to help with what I can.
Ake

[Athron]

I bet if someone hauled in a huge stack of their "disposable" Magic cards and hosted a free psuedo-booster draft tournament during one evening for the under 21s it would go over real well.

I'm not raising my hand to do it, but I would gladly donate product and prizes for anyone who is willing to run it.  E-mail me (athron@dagorhir.com) if anyone is interested.

[Dzan]

Being under 21 myself I suppose I will add my opinion here. I personaly don't like the D&D idea, but I have never played it before, so it's not based on any real experiences. But I do think that the Magic idea would work. I used to be big on card games and MTG is my favorite.   I think that trading card games appeal to more poeple too. While I understand a lot of Dag poeple enjoy D&D you would probably find more who used to play a game similar to Magic, and since it's for the under 21 group I'm sure alot of poeple have played either Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh atleast, but I'm sure alot of poeple have played Magic the Gathering too.

[Magnus]

I think board games would be the best solution.  Why?  Well, for one thing, they always involve groups, usually 3-6 people.  For another thing, there are a lot of board games that would appeal to the Dagorhir set--Samurai Swords, Settlers of Catan, Runequest, any number of these.  Add to those non-CCG card games like Munchkin (an excellent game, that you should all play) and you've got a really good games night for 20+ people.

[Buster]

LORD OF THE RINGS     THA RISK GAME.


   

[Askarus Space Beard]

yea but you can play board games at home.  I tried playing magic a few rags ago and felt really awkward.

I mean there's a huge field and 1000 fighters 10 feet away, wtf am I doing playing magic!?

I like the idea of a tourney, night fights are real good as well, perhaps we can organize more night time battles?  That can work with all ages and does not include alcohol at all.

Dont forget that people who are 20 are going to have the same mindset as people who are 21, so we shouldn't make this a "kiddy" event.  I'm not even sure why we're worried about the real young kids, they can be entertained by playing with a chunk of foam, its the almost 21ers who we need to accommodate.

[Alric]

As an under-21, I'm with Askarus on this one. I'd take night fighting over risk any day!

[Kurai]

O! O! I got an Idea! How about, A Ninja-off?!?!  
Two "ninjas" stand across a small area from each other and perform "techniques" silly, serious or otherwise, and they have a team of about..two people and these extra people carry out the effect of the "technique" i.e. throwing a ball at someone, attacking them, or just doing whatever the "ninja" says in the name of the technique! last one standing or first one to run out of idea's wins!
eh? eh?

or chicken would be good.

[Ake]

Oh that s realy good intiative...hey I bet someone has a homemade Eryndor Deck, with High Council Cards on it!!!
ake


 

quote:Originally posted by Athron of Eryndor:
I bet if someone hauled in a huge stack of their "disposable" Magic cards and hosted a free psuedo-booster draft tournament during one evening for the under 21s it would go over real well.

I'm not raising my hand to do it, but I would gladly donate product and prizes for anyone who is willing to run it.  E-mail me (athron@dagorhir.com) if anyone is interested.

[Dzan]

Fighting is a good idea. While MTG and D&D may be appealing to a lot of poeple or the majority of those younger 21, but It's common sense that a battle will appeal to all of the teenagers at Rag. I mean...that's why your there in the first place.

[Hanzo of Narnia]

Why is it that when anyone mentions a night battle ninjas must be the pun?   one of the night battles we do is kind of like a king battle except the king just gets a flash light. It's hilarious to watch a paranoid king swinging a flashlight around looking for assassins and his men screaming that they need the light over near them to fight.

[Roggan]

Woah, I think Hanzo has something really good going on here!  I think that would be a great thing to try at Rag one night.  Such for fun ya know?
I agree with all the board games, and I full heartedly support Apples to Apples.  Some of the funniest moments I have ever known happen in that game.
just my 2 cents,
Roggan

[zekew64]

quote:Oh that s realy good intiative...hey I bet someone has a homemade Eryndor Deck, with High Council Cards on it!!!
ake

Ake, look on magicthegathering.com or cardkingdom.com.....some of Eryndor, such as Linwe, have already been made into cards...however, one could also argue that some dagorhirrim, such as Ire, are also created (in the right armor, she looks kind of like Radha, Heir to Keld....

[Ake]

Ok,thats a really rare piece of info...it maybe  work wonders for recruitment here, we got some MtG freak enclaves of the couch potatoe type though.
compared to actual board rpgs , I find card games a little bit distateful , but I have tried some of this games in the past.
ake

[Namtar]

Hanzo, that sounds great, count me in! I'd even volunteer to help run said battle. Not to organize, i suck at organizing, but helping im good at.

Recently mention in the RP Board, we could also do some games of Mafia, but just make it more Dag themed. (Kings, spys, Knights etc). It's a game that can be done with like 30 people, and is lots of fun.

[Istvan]

There are also many games from the medieval period that will generate interest.
Chess obviously, and backgammon. Hopscotch is a period game, younger people may like it at Rag. Bocce ball (lawn bowling...I'll bring my set) and other ball games...like soccer.

I should mention the venerable (ancient Egyption)game of marbels as well...you know you want to play.

There are strategy games other than chess as well,here are a couple. http://www.tarahill.com/instruct.html

Have you guessed that I like games? I will bring some of mine.
I have a book by Jeffrey A. DeLuca that is full of rules for games of all sorts that is a great resource. If youi Google the name you will likely find an address that you can order from.

[ May 20, 2007: Message edited by: Istvan ]

[Briar Rose]

RE: night fighting - invest in some glow necklaces like they used for the Mines of Moria a few years ago. They'll help limit head shots (anything above the glow ring is head, naturally) and you can use different colors for different teams.  You can order them in bulk online.

[Flittie Smeddum]

Just to clarify: I did mean primarily people 13 to 20 years of age. We already have a few activities for the young kids, but we need something for the teens. I'm not attending Rag this year; that's why I'm not volunteering. Maybe next year.

[Graymael]

Leonidas of High Spires and Graymael of the Aratari are discussing running a night battle on Wednesday night.

We're pricing glow-necklaces for the fighters (they cut WAY down on head-shots at the second Mines of Moria battle) and designing rez scenarios which will work well at night (no obstacles to trip over; objectives lit with cyalumes so everyone knows where they are; different teams wear different color glow-necklaces; scenario set up so no one team dominates the whole time...).  

If the event coordinators are okay with it, we'll post more information here.

[-Ori-]

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[Alric]

quote:Originally posted by Graymael:
Leonidas of High Spires and Graymael of the Aratari are discussing running a night battle on Wednesday night.

You guys rock  

[Maxamis Slay]

No they don't just rock they are godly!

[Ake]

night battles yeah!!!

[Graymael]

Would you rather watch a show...or be part of the action?

[Maxamis Slay]

Ill be a part of it!  

[Shrike]

Re: Apples to Apples.

Fun game. You could also get card blanks and create your own, Dagorhir/Ragnorok specific cards. See here:
 http://www.funagain.com/control/product/~product_id=013850;jsessionid=1FD9EB46A079127A5A471ADE05190415.jvm1

[Ilsa Starling]

quote:Originally posted by Shrike:
Re: Apples to Apples.

Fun game. You could also get card blanks and create your own, Dagorhir/Ragnorok specific cards. See here:
 http://www.funagain.com/control/product/~product_id=013850;jsession  id=1FD9EB46A079127A5A471ADE05190415.jvm1

Or we could simply make our own cards and play 1000 Blank White Cards! Just grab some coffee, pens, and blank index cards, and you've got entertainment for hours.

Or maybe that's just if you're easily amused, like me.

[ May 28, 2007: Message edited by: Ilsa Starling ]

[Maxamis Slay]

Neat idea...

Why not a music festival with games around a fire? Oh and belly dancing! lol

[cryptic_3lf]

Briar, I'm probably wrong but isn't that from undergrads?