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Re: Weapon Materials Guide
« Reply #200 on: January 14, 2012, 03:05:14 pm »
Has anyone tried the walmart yoga mat foam? not the thin ones the really thick squishy ones. They feel like they would work, but I don't know of anyone that has used them. I found a site that sells them for around $12 a roll but before i commit to them I'd like to know of anyone elses expierience with it. :)
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« Reply #201 on: January 14, 2012, 04:26:12 pm »
I use the thick yoga mats for a multitude of uses from solid glaives to a little extra cush on a falcata that would brick otherwise. it may need a tiny bit of stabilization in some instances such as minimal ( not ultralight - *ptew*) weapons and bulky stabby tips.
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« Reply #202 on: February 13, 2012, 10:21:04 pm »
Are there any good companies on the west coast I could buy foam from that you guys know of?  All the links I can find are for companies on the east coast and most of them want to charge a couple hundred in shipping to Alaska.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2012, 11:07:53 pm by AlaskanAvenger »
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« Reply #203 on: June 17, 2012, 10:59:37 am »
No idea about the west coast.

What do we know about Catch the Wind? I did a search and couldn't find anything. They sell kite spar, and it appears to be on the cheap. Their hover-over text in Google Chrome's tabs even says, "Kite Making, Sword Making, Epoxy Tubing, LARP Supplies," so they may in fact be making kite spar specifically for weapon building.

http://www.catchthewind.com/framework.html
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« Reply #204 on: July 03, 2012, 11:32:01 am »
Hello,
  I'm looking to make my first blue, but I'm not sure if this is the right foam.
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=9856753&findingMethod=rr

The other foam I saw looked somewhat similar to pool noodle foam (vaguely shiny/bubbly) and was called Lightweight, I believe.
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« Reply #205 on: July 03, 2012, 11:59:04 am »


This is what you want
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« Reply #206 on: July 03, 2012, 12:00:30 pm »
Which is this.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Ozark-Trial-Camping-Pad-Blue/16783660

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« Reply #207 on: July 04, 2012, 03:29:03 am »
Updated the Weapon Materials guide.
-Promoted Minicell.
-Added 4 lb. foam.
-Added electric knife to tools.
-Cleaned up Marine Foam (it was there before, but under a different name).
-Cleaned up the links.

I was sorely tempted to remove pipe insulation, but couldn't quite justify it yet, as some polearms and javelins may still be able to reasonably use it.
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« Reply #208 on: July 04, 2012, 08:21:56 pm »
Aye, it's still okay for courtesy padding. I don't know of anything off the very top of my head that both comes in convenient tubes, and is commercially available at your local hardware store.
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« Reply #209 on: July 07, 2012, 11:40:17 am »
you should add the other spelling for marine foam, Insulite i think it is.
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« Reply #210 on: July 07, 2012, 04:48:40 pm »
Close. Ensolite.
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« Reply #211 on: July 07, 2012, 07:28:06 pm »
there is two types thats what im explaining.. its the same foam/similar foam, spelt 2 different ways
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« Reply #212 on: July 09, 2012, 01:30:33 am »
there is two types thats what im explaining.. its the same foam/similar foam, spelt 2 different ways
I've only seen it on a couple online foam stores, and I get the feeling that they're spelling it incorrectly.  Even a Google search for "Insulite Foam" suggests that I want "Ensolite Foam"
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Re: Weapon Materials Guide
« Reply #213 on: July 09, 2012, 02:42:07 am »
http://www.foamforyou.com/out_door_foam.htm

Read: "More Info On Insulite, Flotation Foam"

It's likely Ensulite, and a typo on FoamForYou's part, since that is the only occurrence of the word on their site.

Unless you think it's this: http://www.triliteboard.com/insulite.html (which is not for stabby tips)
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« Reply #214 on: July 09, 2012, 07:28:19 am »
Foamforyou's Insulite is the same as Ensolite is the same as 'marine foam.'
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« Reply #215 on: July 12, 2012, 02:30:13 am »
One week after I write about it, Foam by Conbuilt goes out of business.  Any recommended 4 lb foam suppliers?
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« Reply #216 on: September 04, 2012, 05:31:12 pm »
I'm terribly apologetic if it's been brought up here before (I've skimmed the forum, so may have missed it) but I do believe this is the appropriate thread to add to for my 'topical question'.


I'm looking into getting more serious with Foamsmithing.  I've read up on basic techniques, boxes, cores, adhesives, all that.  My first Blue (a hammer/axe with a stabby tip) passed readily.  But I'm looking at bigger and/or better things.  Cores, I get.  Grips, hilts, hafts, I understand.  But the Foam remains somewhat opaque to me.

I don't want to go about this with guesswork and 'Well this worked for me, so I suppose it'll work for you'.  I was thinking it could be helpful to all Foamsmiths here, amateur and otherwise, to have a discussion (and possibly added to the first post) on the sort of 'hard results' of foams, binding techniques and cores, and their interactions.

For example- I see people talking about Ensolite, or EVA, or 4#, or Blue Foam.  The OP has descriptions of what each of them are, and general properties.  However, here's some questions that I haven't really seen answers spelled out to.

1:  For each foam type, what is it optimally used for?  (e.g. Bluefoam for striking, or the first box, or courtesy padding, vs. Ensolite for those purposes)

2:  Is there a unified way of describing each foam?  Half of them are known by Brand name, half by one physical descriptor or another, and a few, from what I can tell, are known by the place that most commonly sells them.  What's the poundage of EVA, when comparing it to 4#, and how do the properties change as you go up or down the scale?  What kind of foam is "Camp Pad" or "Seat Cushion"?  This question is partially answered, but again, it's not really clearly lain out.

3:  Related to above; what are the physical properties of each kind of foam, in relation to each other?  Which is harder than which, which is denser than another?  This could be solved if each foam was described commonly using only physical or industry descriptors, instead of colloquializms and brand names.

4:  Which foams provide what properties to which striking surfaces?  I hear talk of using Open Cell foam on stabby tips- first off, how (as asked above) does Open Cell differ from Closed cell, in tangible physical properties?  Why is that type of foam desired for a stabby tip?  Does Bluefoam provide better backing?  Are certain foams more durable when used as underlays, but less durable when on the surface?  How would I layer, what materials would I use, to get a specific kind of hit from a weapon?

5:  Which foams work best with which construction methods, and why?  I know that a lot of people cross strapping tape over stabbies, and some people wrap cloth tape around blades or whatnot, and that you're not supposed to use Duct Tape on certain things, or in certain orientations.  Why?  Do they cause tears?  Why not have the strapping tape straight up and over a stabby?  What's it there for, exactly (does strapping tape in that configuration provide lateral, planar, or linear support?) and which foams/adhesives need the extra support, or would tear worse from it?



Sorry if that's a lot of questioning, but I'd like to be able to say "I need a hammer that hits solidly but feels soft, and a sword that can hit hard but will last a long, long time while being very light" and essentially 'look up' the foam or foams, along with construction methods, to get that result.
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« Reply #217 on: September 04, 2012, 10:52:06 pm »
Although I agree that it would be nice if more info/emphasis was placed on where each of these materials are used specifically I have found most of these answers within individual tutorials. But I've also gone through close to 50 or so tutorials over the last month trying to figure these things out as well. 
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« Reply #218 on: December 03, 2012, 12:42:04 am »
I tend to drop out of the boards for long extended periods of time, so I don't check this thread very often.  So I apologize for responding to posts that happened 3 months ago.

First to answer Anvildude:
1.  All the foams in bold, except for maybe the pipe insulation, can be considered a general purpose foam.  You can use them for striking & non-striking surfaces, pommels, shields, arrowhead bases, and even helmet liners.  The "Other Foams" catagory addresses specific use foam.

2. As far as I can tell, there is no universal foam descriptor.  I've tried to make the OP as accurate and accessible as possible.  With respect to EVA, I clearly state that the reference is 2lbs/ft3. When comparing it to 4lb, it is lighter and softer.  As for the other properties, I have no idea, except that there is a growing theory that the heavier stuff is less likely to break and tear (something, I admittedly should add to that entry).  It's really difficult to say, since well made swords WITHOUT 4lb foam tend to last a year or two anyways, and a lot of the swords WITH 4lb foam have been made in the last year or so.

"Camp pad" generally refers to a Polyolefin foam that is sold through walmart (and the very first entry on the foam list), and "Seat Cushion" is generally Marine Foam a.k.a Ensolite.  I don't like the term "Seat Cushion" and will generally use the term ensolite or marine foam instead.

3. If there was a good physical or industry descriptor, I'd use it.  Sadly, there is not.  If you KNOW of such descriptors, please don't hold out on us.  Let us know!  But because of the lack of physical descriptors, it's difficult to look up or research the various properties that you might care about.

4. The phrase "Open Cell Foam" is about as generic as you can get, and pretty much the least helpful descriptor you can give to foam (aside from soft or hard).  The properties of open cell foam differ wildly, and since sources vary wildly, results vary wildly.  It'd be nice to know what best open cell foams work.  The only consistent answer I've gotten is Unicell and Charcoal Computer packing foam (which may be the same thing).  To this day, I still don't have a better descriptor or industry identifier for it.

5. The point of this guide is to focus on the material and not the construction method.  It'd be nice to note what works better for certain construction methods (or worse), and I have done so where applicable, but my own personal knowledge base is pretty limited.  I rely on the knowledge of others, especially those that come back and tell me what's worked and more importantly, what DIDN'T work.  In this game, almost everything will work for a while, so I tend to be skeptical of anyone that tells me that doing something worked.

The better approach to take is to look up the construction method, look at your bank account/wallet, and then look at the foams.  They're all generally interchangeable, except when a tutorial guide says they're not.
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« Reply #219 on: December 03, 2012, 12:21:31 pm »
4# tech has been around a lot longer than a year, i believe even bestdagstuff, amung others used the style at one point.
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« Reply #220 on: March 24, 2013, 11:25:44 pm »
As a newcomer to Dagorhir, I really appreciate this guide. Now I know exactly what to look for. Thanks!
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« Reply #221 on: April 25, 2013, 03:07:38 am »
Updated with brief info on Tyvek Tape (the secret is out :D) and Carbon Fiber rods.
The sources for a lot of these materials REALLY needs to be updated, but I don't have time to figure out where people have been getting their stuff.  Anyone want to weigh in on favorite sources that aren't listed?
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« Reply #222 on: April 25, 2013, 03:44:25 am »
Tyvek can be gotten at Home Depot.
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« Reply #223 on: April 25, 2013, 12:32:07 pm »
There's nothing about hockey or grip tape on there. I'm not too knowledgeable about such things, but it might not be a bad idea to put up.
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