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killing legged fighters
« on: December 27, 2009, 02:46:52 pm »
legging opponents is not difficult i find it much more difficult to kill fighters once they have been legged any advice?
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2009, 02:52:57 pm »
Have you seen Magnus' tutorial vids on YouTube?  Here's the ground fighting video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZirkxoMDxK0&feature=PlayList&p=BA207BE95DDC2846&index=11

Might be worth it to watch all his stuff, especially if you're a relatively new fighter.
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2009, 02:56:40 pm »
Protect your legs, take your time, you should have every advantage as far as footwork goes.

any suggestions to knock people to the ground should be tempered by safty first.
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2009, 03:49:48 pm »
Easiest for me to either leave them, or kick them over.
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2009, 05:05:12 pm »
Leave them for a glaive user to kill or carry a glaive.

If I run up on a solo legged shield user with my glaive, Ill give them a moment to forfeit usually before beating the **** out of them.
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2009, 10:45:19 pm »
Kick them over. Or fake a kick - most people flinch when you look like you're going to kick them, and you can often take advantage of that.
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2009, 06:55:13 am »
Kick them over. Or fake a kick - most people flinch when you look like you're going to kick them, and you can often take advantage of that.

This is what everyone always suggested to me.  Though sometimes you'll find those people that are just a pain to kill once they get legged.  Just leave them to someone else if you can.  We have one in our realm that once legged, I have yet to kill him.  Guess I'll make myself a glaive and see how that works.
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2009, 10:35:39 am »

Two people.

That is how to effectively eliminate all legged fighter with minimal lose.

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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2009, 12:31:44 pm »
A shield check sometimes does the trick and will expose their shoulder if done right.

Just want to say, though. If you leg somobody during a field battle, you should leave them (As the others above pointed out). (Leg 'em n Leave 'em) You don't want to risk losing one of your own limbs during the battle. Make yourself useful and go leg more people.

Of course, one on one, you'll have to finish it. Like Kendall said, take your time.
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2009, 09:46:59 pm »
Hit 'em in the other leg before they get to their knees. 

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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2009, 10:04:20 pm »
Kick them over. Or fake a kick - most people flinch when you look like you're going to kick them, and you can often take advantage of that.

I have to say I don't think actually kicking them over is safe at all. If they know how to roll with it, they'll be fine, but I've seen even seasoned fighters go over on their back with their feet under them... which isn't fun at all, and can easily result in a broken ankle.

I guess if it's someone you know is up for it, do it. If it's someone with both legs down, or who you think you're going to hurt, DON'T. Also, if you do decide to kick them over, don't do it if their mouth's behind their shield. This is one of those things that's legal, but has a rate of injury that's just way too high.
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2009, 10:19:47 pm »
I shield-kick legged dudes a lot, but you don't need to do anything like kick them over for it to be effective.  Just drag your foot laterally across their shield to knock it sideways.  I've had success with this, even against strap shields.
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2009, 10:25:20 pm »
I have to say I don't think actually kicking them over is safe at all.

I'm pretty sure this got discussed to death already in the Rules forum, but it's completely within the rules to kick them over. If they have a problem with getting kicked over, or don't know how to fight on a knee properly (not on both knees) then I think they should go die instead of trying to fight on their knees.
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2009, 12:35:14 am »
Just be ready for them to lunge after the first red you put on their shield.

Kicking/bashing isnt so wise in my book.  Experienced people are good at sniping feet coming towards their shield.  Too much risk involved in this move.  Its also mean.

I like a slow push/bump in line fights to unbalance legged people if I have  to knock somebody over. 

If you are solo and cant grab a glaive, just keep making the legged guy move.  Use your maximum range.  Put your back to the sun and stand up a hill if you can.  Flails are really nice for sniping the shoulders of legged people.
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2009, 01:05:08 am »
ya a lot of times the longer u take the less patient or more desperate the legged person becomes, be careful and wait eventually some newer fighters will get the great idea to lunge and attempt to equal the ground or stab the torso then just back up and smack the arm or back,

granted this is something that doesn't happen as often around more skilled fighters, but still being slow and careful waiting for them to screw up is a good bet
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2009, 01:26:53 am »
Your range is much greater than your opponents in this situation. Use it.
Learn to snipe shoulders, it helps tremendously as well.
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2009, 09:32:06 am »
Yeah, sniping shoulders works.

Also, getting just inside their range and baiting a shot and returning.

And really, if they have both legs down, hit them in one of them.  Teach your fighters to get that live leg out behind them by abusing it every time they get legged until they do.
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« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2009, 11:22:58 am »
I'm surprised no one mentioned the walkthrough. Safe, quick, and effective.
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2009, 11:27:15 am »
I'm surprised no one mentioned the walkthrough. Safe, quick, and effective.

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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2009, 12:33:13 pm »
If you cannot get some help (any help will go a long way), the most obvious thing to do is get a decent length red/green like a glaive.  Destroy the shield and take them out when dropping the shield with a hard mid-line thrust.  If the don't drop it fast enough, the next hit to their shield takes their arm out, etc.  Avoid the lunge and headshots and it should be a snap.

If I am fighting sword and board against a legged sword and board, I tend to go full defensive with sword covering my right side to post-block and encroach until I'm standing over them and they are arched way back.  I then throw a carefully guarded deep wrap or two and keep pressing until the lose their balance and fall over.  Then you hit whatever is open.
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2009, 01:17:07 pm »
I'm surprised no one mentioned the walkthrough. Safe, quick, and effective.

???? enlighten us
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2009, 01:27:05 pm »
Best strategy for leg fighters is to put your crouch on there face. No one wants that. They will fall over and you hit them in their legs.

70% of the time it works Every time
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2009, 01:30:49 pm »
Best strategy for leg fighters is to put your crouch on there face. No one wants that. They will fall over and you hit them in their legs.

70% of the time it works Every time

more often than not when i move up on a legged fighter i lose a leg before killing them,
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2009, 01:46:41 pm »
block?

when closing you need to have a solid defense. Just close dont attack while closing. If your defense is good you should be fine. That or feint sword side on them to keep there sword tied up when you close.
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2009, 02:34:07 pm »
I have to say I don't think actually kicking them over is safe at all. If they know how to roll with it, they'll be fine...

Everyone should know (and new people should be taught) how to go down on a knee without putting themselves into a situation where their ankle will be broken if they get rolled over. It happens all the time and it's legal, and if you don't know how to stay safe, you should learn.

Sure, if I see someone bracing his shield on his chin I won't kick him, but to a large degree we're each responsible for our own stupidity, not the stupidity of other people. So if I see someone doing something dumb I won't do something I know will hurt him, but he should really be looking out for his own legs when he takes a knee.

Also, the people who take both knees are doing it specifically so they can be knocked over without twisting an ankle. Though like Olos said, it's easier to just snipe one of their knees.
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« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2009, 03:43:26 pm »
Everything you said is 100% true Alric. However, as much as we are each responsible for our own safety and fun, I believe that we are as much responsible for the safety and fun of our opponents. So moves that have a high ratio of injury, compared to other options, should be avoided in most circumstances.

With one leg out, a legged fighter can twist an ankle. With both legs down, a legged fighter can roll over backwards, digging his boots into his back and possibly causing injury to his ankles and knees. Not to mention there's the fact that a lot of people seem to just think it's perfectly cool to boot someone in the teeth, or have that level or horrendously bad aim.

That said, feel free to shield-kick me when I'm legged. I talk enough crap, and have fought long enough and had enough experience that if I don't know what to do, I deserve to get twisted up. Just don't kick me in the face, or I'll head-butt you in the balls, or... something...

As far as walkthroughs go, I'm probably not the best person to describe them, but I'll do my best. The point is simply to walk through the opponents as if they are not there. This is highly effective both in line fighting (as a group), and against legged fighters. Then you hit what's open, usually shoulder/chest or arm. When you get to the fighter, pin their shield with your foot, or kick it out with your shield. At this point they're pretty much at your mercy. The key is to stay active and aggressive, moving forward consistently without moving wildly. It keeps the legged fighter on the defensive and limits their mobility, which is key.
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2010, 12:09:11 pm »
What I do is change my stance.  I put my attack foot forward and pivot around it.  When I step into the legged fighter I plant my shield foot between their legs and block their shot with my shield, then I bring the other leg around opening up their shield and pinning both arms, rendering them virtually helpless.  Then I rap shot them in the back.  Works about 90% of the time.
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« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2010, 01:56:30 pm »
I cirlce them to tire them a little and fake a rush, then mid side step I shield bash them, side step again and strike for back.
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Re: killing legged fighters
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2010, 11:08:19 pm »
i step toward them and shove my shield against their weapon arm so they have nothing to swing at and wrap the back. step forward carefully though. protect your own legs at the same time. watch for their down-swing

if they do get a swing in on your way in, try to use your shield to push their sword down towards the ground. foot-on-ground, doesnt count.
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« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2010, 12:34:04 am »
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« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2010, 09:26:25 pm »
I'm a bitch to kill once im legged.
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