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[Sir Kaigar Vegulfr Loðbroksonr]

So something that's come up at practices recently has got me wondering...

How do the various realms around the world of Dag mark the different weapon types? I've always been told and seen it done with coloured tape around the pommel/hilt somewhere, but recently I've gotten some complaints about how people can't tell my weapons are stabby...Though, in my defense, my thrusting weapons do have green tape on the pommels...

Just curious.

[hivemind]

I was gonna ask about this as well, since a large number of my unit now have weapons with more historically shaped pommels that aren't really "tapeable", and all our swords are greens too now.

Is it sufficient if I buy some green, blue and red ribbon and we just tie a little dangly bit around our hilts? Couple-three inches hanging down, half inch wide?

[Sir Mirelle of Narnia]

I was gonna ask about this as well, since a large number of my unit now have weapons with more historically shaped pommels that aren't really "tapeable", and all our swords are greens too now.

Is it sufficient if I buy some green, blue and red ribbon and we just tie a little dangly bit around our hilts? Couple-three inches hanging down, half inch wide?

That could work. A lot of people just use colored electrical tape to tape around the bottom part of the handle of there weapon. IN the end you will still have an issue with people being confused about stabby swords. I'd say make sure when you stab someone you say green, but other then that there is not much you can do.

[Iohn deMar]

Haven uses colored electrical tape as our standard, although you could use other methods just as well.

[Whisper Moonson]

Colored electrical tape around the pommel is standard. If that doesn't work, around the base of the blade or the padded part of the haft should work. Generally speaking, nobody's going to stab you unless their weapon passes for green. So if someone stabs you, assume it's green.

[Varadin]

Their first problem is assuming something isnt green. Just because it doesnt look it doesnt mean crap anymore.

We use tape in Einherjar, Personally i only mark it if its green and debatable on what else type it is.

47 inch blue, 49 inch red ext ext. I hate wasting tape.

[Garret Ironshield]

And then there's the new people who don't know that not every sword is stabby-tipped and think that it's perfectly fine to stab with the blue-only sword.

And I'm with Whisper; if somebody stabs you, assume it's green or say "Green?" wait for a second before moving on.

[Alric]

Their first problem is assuming something isnt green. Just because it doesnt look it doesnt mean crap anymore.

We use tape in Einherjar, Personally i only mark it if its green and debatable on what else type it is.

47 inch blue, 49 inch red ext ext. I hate wasting tape.

I agree with everything Varadin said, here. Especially about people complaining they couldn't tell it was green - if they weren't covering themselves well and got stabbed, it's their fault for assuming they were safe, not yours for not painting your sword green.

I like to put tape on the bottom of the handle.

[Gaul]

My spear, after minor confusion at my first event due to its wide and long head, now has an all-green cover.  When I fix my blue/green flat-tip sword, it will have a rectangle of green fabric at the end of its predominantly gray cover, just so people will see it coming.
Most of the boffers I've seen have tape on the pommel.

Now if people are having a hard time telling what your boffers are, and you use the fairly standard pommel tape, what standards do they use?

[Arrakis]

If people are complaining that they can't tell that your swords are green, it's almost 100% certainly because they suck at fighting and got stabbed by you.  Laugh at them and tell them to eat a bag of genitals.  As long as your pommel has the correct colors on it for weapons check and you holler Red if it's in question, you're good.

[Dudley S. Grimes]

And then there's the new people who don't know that not every sword is stabby-tipped and think that it's perfectly fine to stab with the blue-only sword.

And I'm with Whisper; if somebody stabs you, assume it's green or say "Green?" wait for a second before moving on.

Then it's your fault for not explaining the Rules to them before they engage in a game with all sorts of them.

[Askarus Space Beard]

If people are complaining that they can't tell that your swords are green, it's almost 100% certainly because they suck at fighting and got stabbed by you.  Laugh at them and tell them to eat a bag of genitals.  As long as your pommel has the correct colors on it for weapons check and you holler Red if it's in question, you're good.

This is really the only thing to do.

[Korac]

I was gonna ask about this as well, since a large number of my unit now have weapons with more historically shaped pommels that aren't really "tapeable", and all our swords are greens too now.

Is it sufficient if I buy some green, blue and red ribbon and we just tie a little dangly bit around our hilts? Couple-three inches hanging down, half inch wide?

Just be ready for checkers to tape over the ribbons in the ugliest way possible at national events.

[Izad]

It was my understanding that at events, if a weapon is blue/green and it passes for blue and green, you get a piece of blue tape and a piece of green. If it only passes for blue, then only a strip of blue tape. Its up to the wielder to call out the color that he is using at the time.

If it doesnt pass for green, there will be no green tape and the user shouldnt wield it as such in battles. So the tape isnt really for the person being attacked, but for the person doing the attacking. And this makes sense to me cause when i am fighting someone, my attention isnt on what color tape they have on their weapon.

[Askarus Space Beard]

Thats correct, if I get hit in the back and no colors are called out, I just assume blue.

[Kaonna McAvoy]

If you dont wanna tape the pommel you can put it around the handles. Either right above the pommel or below the blade. We do that some times in Rivendell.

[Sir Kaigar Vegulfr Loðbroksonr]

The problem I'm running into, is that people are having issues with not being able to see the green near the pommel. Blah. screw 'em.

[Izad]

The problem I'm running into, is that people are having issues with not being able to see the green near the pommel. Blah. screw 'em.

thats exactly what im talking about. The green tape around the bottom isnt for the person you are fighting. Its for you. It tells you that it has passed as a green weapon and that you can use it as a stabby. You dont have to stab someone and show them the tape everytime. If it passed as green and has green tape we are on our honor to use it as it is passed or failed. They dont need to see the green tape on the bottom.

If it has a stabby tip and it passed as green the person you are attacking should assume that it is passed as green. Because first of all, it should have been checked and also if you are using the stabby tip after it was failed you are breaking rules and could hurt someone. The only reason a person you are attacking might want or need to see the tape is because maybe the stab felt a bit hard and they want to let you know.

Just a question, but are you hitting someone with blue, green or red and then showing them the tape every single time you hit them? Cause that would waste a lot of time and isnt necessary at all.

[Sir Kaigar Vegulfr Loðbroksonr]

Heh...No, I'm not showing them the tape every time.

[Varadin]

Heh...No, I'm not showing them the tape every time.

You need to jsut tell them to get over it. Knowing its green shouldnt be part of your tactics. It gets them into trouble. This is just another person bitching about new tech. Just like the "i didnt feel it" complaint with 12 ounce weapons. It made a thump and a red mark trust me you felt it.

[Izad]

Heh...No, I'm not showing them the tape every time.

Just checking, didnt mean any offense. Just seemed like a big issue to you that other people couldnt see the tape on your sword.

[☠Oni☠]

Has anyone thought about using colored wrist bands? Like the ones used at events and concerts? We use em around here and not only is it easy to tell colors but they are removable and wont ruin the overall look of a weapon... too much. We also have our checkers date and initial them each time they are checked so no nonsense crap get through...

Just sucks that we can't get red bands out here. Kind of funny hearing the guys yell "PINK" when they blast a shield

[Askarus Space Beard]

So what happens if you switch weapons during a battle?

[Olos]

I think she means on the weapons.

Which is what has been done at rag the past couple years (using the paper ones at least) to denote that a weapon is passing.



Electrical tape on the pommel folks.  It's not THAT ugly.  If you have a problem with it, incorporate a color stripe into your PD design.

[Askarus Space Beard]

Oh yea, that makes more sense.

[Falkrix]

Electrical tape on the pommel folks.  It's not THAT ugly.  If you have a problem with it, incorporate a color stripe into your PD design.

If you don't frack it up too bad, the electrical tape comes right off. Just move it somewhere less insanely stupid, like around the edges of the pommel. I prefer on the handle though, myself. It's to mark that it passed, after all, not some flag to the world of what kind of weapon you are using.

Easiest thing to do: assume it's all green.

[mathias]

i think that the tape on the weapon is mainly for the weapons checker to make their time easier when checking through the plethora of weapons. in my experience, i have not had an incident where i was confused about a hit. the times when people would be confused is when they get hit by a red or green, in which cases, ALL red and green users are required to yell the color damage. it seems like everyone has been good with calling out the corresponding shots when needed at the events i have gone to in the past. i know for sure that i am not going to be looking for a bit of tape on a weapon when they are trying to demolish me with a red.

[Elda Batriani]

I was gonna ask about this as well, since a large number of my unit now have weapons with more historically shaped pommels that aren't really "tapeable", and all our swords are greens too now.

Is it sufficient if I buy some green, blue and red ribbon and we just tie a little dangly bit around our hilts? Couple-three inches hanging down, half inch wide?

That could work. A lot of people just use colored electrical tape to tape around the bottom part of the handle of there weapon. IN the end you will still have an issue with people being confused about stabby swords. I'd say make sure when you stab someone you say green, but other then that there is not much you can do.

But I thought there was an unwritten rule on "Dogtags" on weapons?  Or is that just on the blade part?

[Sir Mirelle of Narnia]

Thats Dogears and thats usually for the covers alone.

[Elda Batriani]

I see.  Thanks for the info 

[Arrakis]

the times when people would be confused is when they get hit by a red or green, in which cases, ALL red and green users are required to yell the color damage.

FALSE.

Relevant Rule:

4.10.1 - Whenever you strike an opponent from behind with a non-blue weapon, simultaneously call out the color of your weapon so that your opponent will know how to react.

Emphasis mine.

[Sir Mirelle of Narnia]

I will say it helps when red users yell red, specially in a press. I've had times where I'm getting jostled around by my team mates and my enemy's and I turn to realize that someone has been hitting my shield with thier red but I had no clue. I felt bad about it but I really didn't know it was a red or someone bumping into my shield for the 40th time.

[Seris]

it is helpful to call it, but arrakis is right, it is not required.  And we don't want people to think 'he didn't call green I don't hafta take it' when stabbed in the chest.  When me and my wife first started playing she took a red to the field.  Hit someone's shield like 4 times and he told her 'you didn't call red so it's not broken'.  That is not what we want.

Not to mention battles are so much cooler when every five seconds of it isn't filled with 'red, green, red, red, red, green!'

[Alric]

Saying 'you didn't call it red so I don't have to take it!' is one of the most common forms of cheating I've seen recently. If you see they had two hands on the weapon and it hit you hard, there's no reason to need them to call red - in fact, it just makes our game look silly when everyone's yelling colors.

I submit that if you don't want to take a hit from someone you should just man up and cheat boldly, instead of trying to make up a rule that lets you weasel out of taking something you think you ought to have.

[mathias]

Saying 'you didn't call it red so I don't have to take it!' is one of the most common forms of cheating I've seen recently. If you see they had two hands on the weapon and it hit you hard, there's no reason to need them to call red - in fact, it just makes our game look silly when everyone's yelling colors.

I submit that if you don't want to take a hit from someone you should just man up and cheat boldly, instead of trying to make up a rule that lets you weasel out of taking something you think you ought to have.

i am sorry, i did not actually see there was not a rule about having to call the shot. if the user of the red/green weapon does not call it, and it kinda obvious that it is a red/green weapon, i will still take the hit, whatever the corresponding weapon was(which is what everyone should do in that situation). if there is ever an incident in which the shot was argued, i will take it no matter what, even if it did not seem right to me. i respectfully agree that the previous post of mine is incorrect that the user HAS to call the shot. i think it should be up to the user to make the call when that user throws a questionable shot. for an example fight A has a spear fighting against fighter B, who has sword/board with chest armor. fighter A lands a shot on fighter B, but their hand is doing a sliding motion. fighter B is about to walk off the field because they believe they are dead. fighter A tells him that his hand slipped, so it was a single shot, making him not dead.

tl dr; you were right about not having to call shots, and i never use that as a means to say i can keep fighting if he didn't call the shot.

[Squire Lizard]

Saying 'you didn't call it red so I don't have to take it!' is one of the most common forms of cheating I've seen recently. If you see they had two hands on the weapon and it hit you hard, there's no reason to need them to call red - in fact, it just makes our game look silly when everyone's yelling colors.

I submit that if you don't want to take a hit from someone you should just man up and cheat boldly, instead of trying to make up a rule that lets you weasel out of taking something you think you ought to have.

This is the truest thing I have seen on these boards for a long time. Too many times I see people shake thier head and say, "Was that red? You didn't say anything, so I am not taking it" or something to that effect.
Really?? Just makes me smile all the more when I get behind you and show you just how I like to play...

ALPHAMALE BEEOTCH!!

[Sir Mirelle of Narnia]

Saying 'you didn't call it red so I don't have to take it!' is one of the most common forms of cheating I've seen recently. If you see they had two hands on the weapon and it hit you hard, there's no reason to need them to call red - in fact, it just makes our game look silly when everyone's yelling colors.

I submit that if you don't want to take a hit from someone you should just man up and cheat boldly, instead of trying to make up a rule that lets you weasel out of taking something you think you ought to have.

I can agree with this, but as a courtesy can red users PLEASE yell red during big battles and in a crush or crowded line battle, there are a lot of times people are not trying to cheat they literally just can't tell whats, what. Like I've know people with blues to hit my shield so they can distract me while a teammate goes for the opening they are making, in a crush I can't see if your using two or one hand. The same goes for single and double greens.

 

[Kyrax the Hobbled]

i am sorry, i did not actually see there was not a rule about having to call the shot. if the user of the red/green weapon does not call it, and it kinda obvious that it is a red/green weapon, i will still take the hit, whatever the corresponding weapon was(which is what everyone should do in that situation). if there is ever an incident in which the shot was argued, i will take it no matter what, even if it did not seem right to me. i respectfully agree that the previous post of mine is incorrect that the user HAS to call the shot. i think it should be up to the user to make the call when that user throws a questionable shot. for an example fight A has a spear fighting against fighter B, who has sword/board with chest armor. fighter A lands a shot on fighter B, but their hand is doing a sliding motion. fighter B is about to walk off the field because they believe they are dead. fighter A tells him that his hand slipped, so it was a single shot, making him not dead.

tl dr; you were right about not having to call shots, and i never use that as a means to say i can keep fighting if he didn't call the shot.

Punctuation is good, now work on capitalization.  And "tl dr"?  English please. 

Not to be a grammar nazi, but that just mushed together visually, making it as hard to read as a Colonial era letter.  (In the colonial era paper was precious, so the old ink would be scraped off and a new letter written on the same piece of paper, or it would be turned sideways and the new letter written over the old one at a 90 degree angle).

[mathias]

i am sorry, i did not actually see there was not a rule about having to call the shot. if the user of the red/green weapon does not call it, and it kinda obvious that it is a red/green weapon, i will still take the hit, whatever the corresponding weapon was(which is what everyone should do in that situation). if there is ever an incident in which the shot was argued, i will take it no matter what, even if it did not seem right to me. i respectfully agree that the previous post of mine is incorrect that the user HAS to call the shot. i think it should be up to the user to make the call when that user throws a questionable shot. for an example fight A has a spear fighting against fighter B, who has sword/board with chest armor. fighter A lands a shot on fighter B, but their hand is doing a sliding motion. fighter B is about to walk off the field because they believe they are dead. fighter A tells him that his hand slipped, so it was a single shot, making him not dead.

tl dr; you were right about not having to call shots, and i never use that as a means to say i can keep fighting if he didn't call the shot.

Punctuation is good, now work on capitalization.  And "tl dr"?  English please. 

Not to be a grammar nazi, but that just mushed together visually, making it as hard to read as a Colonial era letter.  (In the colonial era paper was precious, so the old ink would be scraped off and a new letter written on the same piece of paper, or it would be turned sideways and the new letter written over the old one at a 90 degree angle).

I am sorry, tl dr; stands for too long, didn't read. I felt that people would not be able to properly read that monstrosity of a paragraph, so I added in that subtext to pinpoint the thesis of the word sandwich. I also made sure to add in capital letters in this post! I hope you are proud of me!

[Alric]

No need to worry, Mathias, I wasn't aiming my remarks at you. I've noticed this behavior in a lot of people I've fought recently (whose names I don't know), and I was remarking on the behavior in general.

...but as a courtesy can red users PLEASE yell red during big battles and in a crush or crowded line battle, there are a lot of times people are not trying to cheat they literally just can't tell whats, what.

Definitely! What I've been seeing, though, is people who clearly know that the hit was a red but won't take it because it wasn't called. The people I've seen say things like, 'if you want me to take that as red, you've got to call it!' That is cheating.

[Falkrix]

Definitely! What I've been seeing, though, is people who clearly know that the hit was a red but won't take it because it wasn't called. The people I've seen say things like, 'if you want me to take that as red, you've got to call it!' That is cheating.

Although with the frequency that people are being taught the rule as "you MUST yell 'Red' for it to count," I would believe the person in question actually believes that is the rule.

How many people ACTUALLY read the rules? Us online, for the most part, read them; but those unwashed masses who blather about in the open sun all day don't like to read the rules at all, but rather listen to those who tell them what's what, and take it at face value.

Which makes it a conspiracy. *nods sagely*

[Nabian the Swordfish Guy]

That is how you mark the weapons. I get that all the freakin time! I stap with a polearm and some 10 yr old starts crying because he didnt know my weapon was green! And because I hit him in the Testicles.

[Sir Kaigar Vegulfr Loðbroksonr]

That is how you mark the weapons. I get that all the freakin time! I stap with a polearm and some 10 yr old starts crying because he didnt know my weapon was green! And because I hit him in the Testicles.

I don't know why, but I'm laughing my fonging ass off in the library of the local seminary because of this post...Probably the fact that you're beating on 10 year olds....

[Elda Batriani]

Which is illegal, and they shouldn't be there...
And wait, how can it hurt them if they haven't hit puberty?? 

[The Dread Pirate Tempest]

That is how you mark the weapons. I get that all the freakin time! I stap with a polearm and some 10 yr old starts crying because he didnt know my weapon was green! And because I hit him in the Testicles.

I don't know why, but I'm laughing my fonging ass off in the library of the local seminary because of this post...Probably the fact that you're beating on 10 year olds....

Yeah, not to derail, but your group's age limit is 10? Really?

[Elda Batriani]

That is how you mark the weapons. I get that all the freakin time! I stap with a polearm and some 10 yr old starts crying because he didnt know my weapon was green! And because I hit him in the Testicles.

I don't know why, but I'm laughing my fonging ass off in the library of the local seminary because of this post...Probably the fact that you're beating on 10 year olds....

Yeah, not to derail, but your group's age limit is 10? Really?

I agree... 
Why would you let a 10 year old on the field?  He could get stepped on if he falls or something, and it isn't really allowed for a 10 year old to be fighting in a battle, maybe sparring on the sidelines, but otherwise, kinda illegal..

[Atlas Grey the Moonscar]

Possibly sarcasm. Ionno, let's hope so. 
Otherwise things is gonna get messsssy.