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[Radzok]

wonder if anyone has used this weapon. I've heard from a few sources that it "airplanes" when it hits the wind wrong. It's a 52" blade with a 20" handle.

[Syre Jari Kafghan the Dark Knight]

If they are made like their predecessors' swords, its likely to hit to hard.

[Disirregardlessly hivemind]

I have extensive hands-on experience with their swords over the last couple years. They use the same foam for everything, and it does take a little breaking in. Particularly for their red swords, which hit harder because of the longer handles, more force generation, etc.

That said, I do not sell anything over their 48" bastard sword. However, I have to believe that if they really were dangerous and consistently failed weapons checks that they would stop selling them. I should also say that I don't sell anything longer than that because shipping is fscking ignorantly expensive on longer stuff, not because I've had a bad experience with them.

If you were a friend of mine, I'd tell you to get it, and if it did hit too hard, we'd add a strip of EVA around the striking surface. But you're not, so I can't help you with that.

[Dominick Stoneskull]

I have one. It's thoroughly beaten in and I love it. It does tend to catch the wind a bit.

[Radzok]

thanks for the help. ill order it, have it weapon checked, and add some EVA if needed. i LOVE the 48" bastard swords. I've fought with mine for a year or two and its pretty awesome. im just looking for an upgrade. thanks again
         ArÜman
edit: shipping? do you have an online site hivemind? 

[Disirregardlessly hivemind]

I buy right from them wholesale. Long stuff is expensive to ship. If you can catch them at a convention or cross-game event, buy directly on-site and save the shipping.

We have a number of the 48" swords in my unit, with stab tips and counterweighting to bring them up to minimum red weight. We like them a lot.

[Atalan]

I have extensive hands-on experience with their swords over the last couple years. They use the same foam for everything, and it does take a little breaking in. Particularly for their red swords, which hit harder because of the longer handles, more force generation, etc.

That said, I do not sell anything over their 48" bastard sword. However, I have to believe that if they really were dangerous and consistently failed weapons checks that they would stop selling them. I should also say that I don't sell anything longer than that because shipping is fscking ignorantly expensive on longer stuff, not because I've had a bad experience with them.

If you were a friend of mine, I'd tell you to get it, and if it did hit too hard, we'd add a strip of EVA around the striking surface. But you're not, so I can't help you with that.

Given that they do not link to our game, nor do they mention their weapons being appropriate for our game anywhere on their website, I do not believe they would be concerned, from a business standpoint, if their weapons pass our checks or not.

[Arrakis]

I have extensive hands-on experience with their swords over the last couple years. They use the same foam for everything, and it does take a little breaking in. Particularly for their red swords, which hit harder because of the longer handles, more force generation, etc.

That said, I do not sell anything over their 48" bastard sword. However, I have to believe that if they really were dangerous and consistently failed weapons checks that they would stop selling them. I should also say that I don't sell anything longer than that because shipping is fscking ignorantly expensive on longer stuff, not because I've had a bad experience with them.

If you were a friend of mine, I'd tell you to get it, and if it did hit too hard, we'd add a strip of EVA around the striking surface. But you're not, so I can't help you with that.

Given that they do not link to our game, nor do they mention their weapons being appropriate for our game anywhere on their website, I do not believe they would be concerned, from a business standpoint, if their weapons pass our checks or not.

You're trolling, right?

[Disirregardlessly hivemind]

New management means letting go of old angers. They're a business, one of the few catering specifically to our game. They do not link to Dag because I'm pretty sure there were legal reasons why the old owner could not mention Dagorhir in any way anywhere. Hopefully this can change now that there's now management and a new name.

Aside from all that, Dagorhir and Dagorhir weapon checks are remarkably similar, so if they were failing there they'd be failing at ours too.

I too assume that must be trolling.

[Whisper Moonson]

Have they softened up any? The few I met 2 or more years ago (have I really been back that long? ) might as well have been made of wood. Medium-light shots left bruises (I don't bruise easily) and one medium-light hit even numbed out my hand for several minutes. Never had that with any other weapon. It's given me a mistrust of their reds. Their blues are cool, especially after a little breaking in, but those reds... I know people who are big fans of their weapons who'll advise others to avoid their red swords. When I hear about them passing at so many events, it makes me wonder which of the following is true:

1. Was I just plain unlucky, encountering a series of lemons that hit too hard?

2. Do weapons checkers not know how to swing decently hard in those far away places?

3. Is it The Emperor's New Clothes Syndrome? They're made by a reputable manufacturer, so they must be safe, right? And because they don't fail, negative feedback doesn't make it back to the source, so the design never changes.

4. Have they changed the padding they use to make them friendlier?

[Radzok]

they hit that hard? wow, thats pretty crazy. I've had nothing but good experiences with them, but ive never used one of their red before.

[Korac]

They arent safe.  They hurt more then punches.  They get passed because they have a nice cover. 

If you have any amount of fitness you can KO somebody with one.  Ive been dropped to the ground by one head shot and I box with professionals sometimes.

Get a sword/core from spastic.

[Alric]

They generally pass, but I too have had a bruise from one that wasn't even swung very hard (brusing in Dagorhir is VERY rare for me, I think it's happened twice). I don't know if it's the construction (which I find suspect, the 48" one at least are suspiciously thin for red weapons, I can't recall if the longer ones have more padding or not) or the fact that people assume that a bought sword must be ok and therefore don't perform proper maintenance or checking on it to catch it when it starts breaking down. Or maybe it's just that, with large production runs, a few lemons get thrown into the mix.

I've heard at least two stories of broken bones from them. But again, that could just be because they make so many that they're bound to have a few horror stories by virtue of the fact that sh*t happens.

I wouldn't use one, personally, cause I don't trust them, whether or not that's fair.

[Radzok]

spastic?

[Varadin]

The great swords are fine, the bastard swords are what everyone is thinking you are talking about.

The great swords are made with a different foam then the bastard swords (49 inches). Its similar and still a 2 pound cross linked poly but its more open and compresses easier meaning a different deflection to the foam.

On that note, they are large and unwieldy, if you want to go for one its safe and will pass everywhere that isn't filled with hate for their weapons. Since you are in kansas I have no idea what you are up for.

[Alric]

Good to know, thanks Varadin.

[Mikhail]

The only core-shaped welt I've ever gotten from this game was when I was flatted with a Forged Foam red.  Don't remember whether it was a 48" or a 52", though.

[Tyrieal Firebrand]

Every great sword that I have seen from said company has been pulled off the field at most of the events I have been to. They just hit too hard when your swinging like you mean it in my opinion.

[Korac]

spastic?

Spastic the dragonhood guy sells medical grade carbon fiber rods @ 6 feet for 40$.  You can make a 24 oz 6 ft glaive/sword with one.  They dont flex for most people.

My group has had 4 2h foam forged swords in our arsenal for years.  Even making them single sided to reduce weight and putting an extra layer of evalite on the striking surface makes them borderline at best. 

We have great swords and bastard swords.  The blues are fine.

Again, Ive been punched by a guy that has beat somebody into a coma for 6 months.  These swords hurt worse.

[Athron]

Padding good enough for a 32" blue + solid-ass fiberglass core + another 18" of total length + supposed to be used as a two-handed rage stick = sad times.

[Varadin]

athron, the great sword uses a larger fry and a larger core. You are thinking of the bastard. What evias and exo and all them use is the min red bastard. The great sword is larger and more padded.

Honestly i get hit with more of these then the majority of you and have NEVER had a problem. tonight at practice there will be 1 greatsword and at least 2 bastards on the field. Never had a problem.

They wont be the niciest hitting weapons there tonight, but they are not unsafe. The problem is people pass them after they have broken down because lax checkers think oh that never dies and passes it. Then someone gets hit by core.

[Drunken Bob (For Congress)]

spastic?

Spastic the dragonhood guy sells medical grade carbon fiber rods @ 6 feet for 40$.  You can make a 24 oz 6 ft glaive/sword with one.  They dont flex for most people.

My group has had 4 2h foam forged swords in our arsenal for years.  Even making them single sided to reduce weight and putting an extra layer of evalite on the striking surface makes them borderline at best. 

We have great swords and bastard swords.  The blues are fine.

Again, Ive been punched by a guy that has beat somebody into a coma for 6 months.  These swords hurt worse.

Really, what is the diameter (OD) on these rods of carbon fiber?

[Radzok]

11/16"

[Forkbeard Rex]

********s 11/16" @ 72" long is just at the edge of safe. I feel it need the layer of eva that hivmind recomends.
tah being said, the same core, 11/16" @ 60" is the best, most saff for the durability, core ever. They hit hard, but not too hard and never flex out. I won one years ago in a tourny and its been my favorite ever since.
90% of the weapons in my group and at least 80% of the wepons in the west are made by forged foam. They are perfectly safe, but are made by people,  so there can be flaws. They also do wear out.
Whisper, I think you should give em another chance. They definetly get inspected by people who care and know what's up. Non of us get bruised, no body breaks bones. If they did, thousands of them would not pass the very vigorous weapon checks they go through weekly.
When they fail they fail, get taken home and are rebuilt. Same as anything else.
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[Nadarath Nachtwulf]

One of my guys had one of the great swords.  Out of the box it was a little stiff like most of their swords, but after he beat it on the ground for a bit it was okay.  As for wielding it, be prepared for a very cumbersome weapon.  It is slow and difficult to get used to.  We ended up cutting a foot off of it last week and now it's quite a bit more effective.

[Disirregardlessly hivemind]

When they fail they fail, get taken home and are rebuilt. Same as anything else.

Except that they have a nice solid fiberglass core and a lovely drawstring cover, and you can get a sword fry for like $5 for them. Rebuilds take like 15 minutes, and half of that is letting Dap dry.

[Skeith, the Forsaken]

wonder if anyone has used this weapon. I've heard from a few sources that it "airplanes" when it hits the wind wrong. It's a 52" blade with a 20" handle.

ArÚman just come find me at Lyonesse this sunday.
I've had tons of experience with the Forged Foam line weapons.

I'll be more than happy to help ya out on site at practice.

[Radzok]

thanks skeith. I wont be able to fight (broken middle finger) but ill come on out and hang out/help out or something like that. I haven't ordered it yet, probably going to tonight.

[Gauntlets]

I had my nose broken buy one of them

[stylgar]

I wouldn't trust their reds. Every before The Great Hissy Fit, they rarely passed. When they were still with us (they exempted the reds from the "guaranteed to pass" warranty the weapons came with)
And I just think they have more economic pride in their goods than warranted.

[Thorondor]

I had my nose broken buy one of them

I've had my nose broken by the shaft of a passing jav...

Whats your point?

[Korac]

I don't know what you call it, but that 6 foot long thing they sell is a hazard, plain and simple.

I keep trying to say this.  I'm not a safety nut.

[Gauntlets]

I had my nose broken buy one of them

I've had my nose broken by the shaft of a passing jav...

Whats your point?

Ok had my nose broken by the padded blade of the weapon

[Dakka]

I've been fighting for a couple years now and i have had nothing but good expierences with forged foam weapons.  The Bastard Sword they sell happens to be my favorite. 

As for bruises, who cares!  A bruise or a little sting has never hurt anyone, its not like these things are breaking bones or leaving deep tissue bruises.

Also I have had my nose bloodied by non-Forged Foam weapons on two occasions.  ( Though one was a pole arm while i was legged  )

In summary; I think Forged Foam makes a solid product and we should do our part to support companies like this in their endevour to supply the foam fighting communites with readily availble weapons ( i.e. Best Dag Stuff......I miss you so! )

[Arrakis]

I have never encountered a red weapon made by that company that I would not have failed if I'd been the one checking it.

They're underpadded and the padding they use breaks down too rapidly.

[Syre Jari Kafghan the Dark Knight]

I have never encountered a red weapon made by that company that I would not have failed if I'd been the one checking it.

They're underpadded and the padding they use breaks down too rapidly.

Interestingly enough, I have had the same experience.

[Skeith, the Forsaken]

I have never encountered a red weapon made by that company that I would not have failed if I'd been the one checking it.

They're underpadded and the padding they use breaks down too rapidly.

Yar, it's always the tips that always blows out for me. I've seen a broken hands and tore knees from those hate sticks. Reds can be a tricky thing when trying to get the balance between safe and sexy.

Interestingly enough, I have had the same experience.