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Alric

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Rules page updated to most recent rules
« on: May 26, 2011, 12:42:12 am »
I just updated the rules page.

There were two changes. The first was the change made regarding the force necessary for a hit. Here is the old wording:

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3.4.1 - Hits from hand-held weapons count when the weapon strikes solidly with noticeable force. NOTE: what constitutes a "solid strike" is necessarily subjective and thus relies on the honor of both the attacker and the person who is struck.

And here is the new rule, per last Ragnarok's war council:

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3.4.1 - A hit from a hand-held weapon counts when the weapon’s striking surface hits with sufficient force.  Clarification: taps, grazing, and glancing shots do not count as sufficient force.

The other change is to correct an omission. At Rag 23, Graymael proposed a revision of the rulebook to clarify a number of poor wordings. One of the rules he proposed was this:

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4.10.2 - If a blow strikes a sheathed weapon (i.e., one that is attached/hanging from one's belt or over one's back) or any other worn object, including baggy clothing such as cloaks, the attack is considered to have hit the fighter. A weapon must be in a fighter's hand to intercept an attack.

However, it was noted in War Council that this rule would make it possible to kill a fighting simply by hitting his garb, which was not right. Leonidas proposed a rewritten version of the rule, which was approved by War Council. Here's a quote from the minutes (link: http://www.dagorhir.com/forums/index.php?topic=11718.0 ):

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Leonidas proposes addition of ‘If weapon would have continued through garb to person it constitutes a good hit’
Unanimous approval of proposed addition to garb hit rule.
Graymael calls the question for MOA additions, unanimous approval.

This change was not, however, reflected in the MoA that was published on the website!

Today, I published the correct, revised version of this rule. It was not immediately clear to me, however, how to incorporate Leonidas' amendment as quoted in the minutes into Graymael's wording, so I emailed him and requested the correct wording of the amended rule, which was this:

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4.10.2 - Strikes ignore sheathed weapons (i.e., one that is attached/hanging from one's belt or over one's back) or any other worn object, including baggy clothing such as cloaks.  If an attack would have made legal contact with a fighter had the object been absent, then it should be counted as a hit.  A weapon must be in a fighter's hand to intercept an attack.

I have now posted the revised copy of this rule on the website, as should have been done three years ago.
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Re: Rules page updated to most recent rules
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2011, 10:28:36 am »
Does this mean that cloaks can now be used to entrap weapons?! Previously I had avoided this in fear of getting 'hit' when the weapon touched my garb but with the new wording, as long as the shot would not have hit me (cloak traps are done under the arm away from the body), I can wrap my cloak around the weapon and control it.

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Re: Rules page updated to most recent rules
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2011, 10:47:18 am »
Does this mean that cloaks can now be used to entrap weapons?! Previously I had avoided this in fear of getting 'hit' when the weapon touched my garb but with the new wording, as long as the shot would not have hit me (cloak traps are done under the arm away from the body), I can wrap my cloak around the weapon and control it.

Sweet!!!

actually that rule is specifically in there so that you cant do that. but a shot that just catches my pants while i am sliding my foot back is just garb and wouldnt have hit.

A cloak trap is specifically designed to stop a shot that is coming at your torso.
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Re: Rules page updated to most recent rules
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2011, 10:48:00 am »
Also, great job Alric. Glad to see this posted before rag as to make sure everyone is up to date for this year.
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Re: Rules page updated to most recent rules
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2011, 11:28:18 am »
Cloak traps also work well against thrusts and in both of these cases if the shot would not have hit me if it continued through then it's a legal maneuver.

The point of my asking was by the old rules I would not have attempted a cloak trap as it would have count as a hit. With the new rules, cloak traps seem to work fine as long as you are keeping your body out of the way.
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Re: Rules page updated to most recent rules
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2011, 11:35:56 am »
My garb, although not particularly baggy, has been hit with a weapon on more than one occasion, and I don't take the shot if it's just garb.

Glad this rule has been clarified, because the obvious solution of going out on the field in nothing but my elbow-covers is not something I think anyone wants to see.
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Re: Rules page updated to most recent rules
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2011, 12:16:54 pm »
Yes, but thats hardly a "cloak trap" commonly some people will try to hold out a heavy cloak to block a foam sword and think its blocking. That by both rules is illegal.

If though i stab at you with a spear and you dodge to the left, and i stab your cloak you are fine by the new rule. Most people played this way before this is just a wording change for clarity. But if you spin and your cloak is billowing up in the air and I hit your cloak and would have hit your back had it not been there. Thats cheating.

In other words, don't wear a cloak on the field they are hot...
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Re: Rules page updated to most recent rules
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2011, 12:18:50 pm »
In other words, don't wear a cloak on the field they are hot...

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Re: Rules page updated to most recent rules
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2011, 12:15:55 am »
If you use a cloak as a shield, you're doing it wrong, deserve to die, and in fact are required to die according to the rules. OTOH, if you use a cloak properly to set aside a thrust or establish control over an opponent's weapon, I've got no problem with it. The trick lies in knowing which is which. In the name of avoiding field arguments and grumbling, it's not something I'd generally encourage.

There was a discussion about use of cloaks a few years ago. "Cloaks On The Field." Entertaining and informative.

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Re: Rules page updated to most recent rules
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2011, 12:55:10 am »
Cloaks as shields = Cheeze.
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Re: Rules page updated to most recent rules
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2011, 11:15:23 am »
How is using a cape on the field less cheesy then back shields?
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Re: Rules page updated to most recent rules
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2011, 11:30:32 am »
How is using a cape on the field less cheesy then back shields?

Because it looks way lamer.
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Re: Rules page updated to most recent rules
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2011, 11:37:40 am »
[sarcasm]

Yeah, because you've got all those pictures of people wearing shields on their back in combat and no one wore cloaks back then...

wait, that's not right...

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Whisper understands my point, though I agree with his as well. Enough people would do this wrong that I'm not sure if I want to use this on the field. Quite astute.
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Re: Rules page updated to most recent rules
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2011, 03:20:50 pm »
How is using a cape on the field less cheesy then back shields?
I never said it was.
Cheeze = Cheeze = Cheeze
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Re: Rules page updated to most recent rules
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2011, 04:25:29 pm »
How is using a cape on the field less cheesy then back shields?

Because it looks way lamer.
Touche good sir.
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