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How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« on: June 01, 2011, 11:32:05 am »
We all know or have witnessed it. Someone who shield bashes the legged, rhino hides, throws late shots just to the hit. How do you deal with such a fighter?
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2011, 11:38:00 am »
Patience, understanding, and a friendly demeanor. You don't have to agree with the guy's way of doing things, but lecturing him, berating him, or avoiding him will only lead his already aggressive personality to become more aggressive in the face of your rejection. Little else will work.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2011, 12:08:44 pm »
Next time you're legged and he charges you, stab him in the dick really hard. REALLY hard. Then explain to him why you did it, apologize and tell him it won't happen again. Because you won't need to.
Or blind side him and ask how he likes it. Fire with fire!
If all else fails talk to the person running practice and make the dude sit out.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2011, 12:37:50 pm »
This is a simple one.  Show him you can be more aggressive than them.  They usually back down.  It's actually dog training behavior. 
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2011, 12:47:31 pm »
This is a simple one.  Show him you can be more aggressive than them.  They usually back down.  It's actually dog training behavior.
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Adding- hit them harder.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2011, 12:49:05 pm »
This is a simple one.  Show him you can be more aggressive than them.  They usually back down.  It's actually dog training behavior.
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Adding- hit them harder.

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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2011, 12:51:55 pm »
i put a yellow tabard on follow them around and call them dead every time the cheat, everytime they do something illegal i call them dead.

If they keep doing so i kick them off the field. heralds have this ability and they should use it.

If its not your practice and you get yelled at by the populous for doing this, show them the rule book. I have the dag rules bookmarked on my phone so i can easily show anyone what they are doing wrong.

Tumbark your advice is terrible, while it may work on dogs. We are people and while someone may be acting like an animal treating them like such will just keep them acting like an animal. You have to be adults and treat others like adults.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2011, 12:54:29 pm »
In context that made perfect sense and I applaud the sentiment.

However, knowing Tumbark this is the funniest thing I've read all week.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2011, 12:56:39 pm »
Admins, Heralds or PR person should be heading this stuff off before it becomes an issue...

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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2011, 01:05:23 pm »
i put a yellow tabard on follow them around and call them dead every time the cheat, everytime they do something illegal i call them dead.

If they keep doing so i kick them off the field. heralds have this ability and they should use it.

If its not your practice and you get yelled at by the populous for doing this, show them the rule book. I have the dag rules bookmarked on my phone so i can easily show anyone what they are doing wrong.

Tumbark your advice is terrible, while it may work on dogs. We are people and while someone may be acting like an animal treating them like such will just keep them acting like an animal. You have to be adults and treat others like adults.


lol, I know it is.  Answer is in Silks post.  ;)
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2011, 01:09:13 pm »
It is salvageable Milokins.

A little clarification, Tumbark is not promoting cheating to fix a cheater. Tumbark always fights as hard as his opponent can let him. I can see how his reply is less funny from someone who doesn't know him well. As well as being one of the most gung-ho fighters ever to hit the field, he is also Gwynedd's War Duke. That title means more than just being a badass on the field. It carries the responsibility of running Gwynedd practices teaching new folks and making sure that any on-field disputes are settled as amicably as possible. He does this job quite well.

What he said he would do is certainly what he would do given the opportunity to fight someone willing to go all out. An aggressive fighter is highly treasured by Tumbark for the challenge and the opportunity to be a little more aggressive himself. What he would do after, or rather between fights though would have a lot more to do with talking to the fighter, letting him know he appreciates their spirit, but that there are areas where they need to pay closer attention to the rules.


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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2011, 01:19:56 pm »
It is salvageable Milokins.

A little clarification, Tumbark is not promoting cheating to fix a cheater. Tumbark always fights as hard as his opponent can let him. I can see how his reply is less funny from someone who doesn't know him well. As well as being one of the most gung-ho fighters ever to hit the field, he is also Gwynedd's War Duke. That title means more than just being a badass on the field. It carries the responsibility of running Gwynedd practices teaching new folks and making sure that any on-field disputes are settled as amicably as possible. He does this job quite well.

What he said he would do is certainly what he would do given the opportunity to fight someone willing to go all out. An aggressive fighter is highly treasured by Tumbark for the challenge and the opportunity to be a little more aggressive himself. What he would do after, or rather between fights though would have a lot more to do with talking to the fighter, letting him know he appreciates their spirit, but that there are areas where they need to pay closer attention to the rules.



Aww thanks Silk.   

But yes I would do that.  I would also spar him in between.  I've done this many times to see if the person indeed is suffering from this excessive and overly endangering behavior.  At this point they realize that others on the field can be as aggressive or even more but we don't.  Then we take a nice seat and we talk about what's acceptable and what's not. 

We do agree talking is the best solution.  But talking after fighting and seeing the quality of another fighter lets them feel instead of being told.  Most people get better.  We are all here for fun, not to be ultimate warriors. 

Once again, thank you Silk for the clarification.  :D
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2011, 01:46:26 pm »

*gigglesnort* Milokins…I like that… ;D

Diligence is key…if you are a herald, an admin or event coordinator or just the PR guy then you need to be diligent. I say this as someone who was NOT diligent enough and had someone get hurt on my watch…not something I plan on allowing again…

My real issue is two fold, secondly is the fact that statements like that can be misleading. There are folks, like Tumbark, who I’d trust to show an overly aggressive fighter what it means to go up against an aggressive fighter and then talk to them about restraint…and then there are folks who will read that comment and then take it to a stupid extreme. Just something we should be mindful of when giving humorous advice.

I never doubted Tumbarks diplomatic skills… :)
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2011, 01:54:43 pm »
No worries, understandable.  The online world does change the flavor of things.  Mostly taste like electricity... ;)
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2011, 04:32:40 pm »
Too aggressive? Talk to them, Talk to their unit mates. Though, I love people for how hard they fight me. So the people you're worried about are the same people I shake hands with at the end of a good scrap.

Rhinohides? 1. Talk to them 2. Ask them to herald 3. Kick them for a day/Talk to their unit leader.

Shield bashes legged people? Needs to be addressed in the Aratari overall.

Late shots? Needs to be addressed in the Aratari overall.

Intentionally Hurting people you think are cheating? In no way acceptable. I felt I almost had to tackle someone at Gates because some kid who was not taking his hits almost got his face smashed in by one of my buddies.

Really, we should have a realm conversation in the middle of the next big battle where we go over some very basic fundamentals about not cheating, playing safe and having a good time. Mayhem was gross with lack of safety and quality hit taking. Thankfully we have good people like Erekose, that I can speak to directly.

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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2011, 04:40:44 pm »
Shield bashing legged people? That has been standard practice for the 17 years i have played. As long as it's done safely, I don't see an issue. The other stuff though is no good though, and he should be talked to about it.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2011, 04:42:28 pm »
4.8.3 - Players may shield bash an opponent on their front or side. Bashing an opponent from the rear is prohibited. Bashing an opponent who has lost a leg is prohibited.

4.8.4 - Players may shield check an opponent from any direction. Players may shield check opponents who have lost a leg.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2011, 05:14:40 pm »
Get them removed from the field, hope it doesn't become a repeat issue.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2011, 05:16:15 pm »
Fair enough. I guess I was confusing the wording a bit. We shove people over all teh time, but not with a running astart.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2011, 05:19:36 pm »
Yea, i think (not fact) that pushing someone over is cool, but throwing yourself on them/running shield bash on a knee is bad as it's a hard motion to control safely.

This coming from the guy who's been nursing a rolled ankle since April 1 from that exact thing.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2011, 06:01:43 pm »
i put a yellow tabard on follow them around and call them dead every time the cheat, everytime they do something illegal i call them dead.

If they keep doing so i kick them off the field. heralds have this ability and they should use it.

If its not your practice and you get yelled at by the populous for doing this, show them the rule book. I have the dag rules bookmarked on my phone so i can easily show anyone what they are doing wrong.

Tumbark your advice is terrible, while it may work on dogs. We are people and while someone may be acting like an animal treating them like such will just keep them acting like an animal. You have to be adults and treat others like adults.

Can you please clone yourself and herald Ragnarok?  I have seen next to no one call out cheaters at Rag since 16 (my first year).

4.8.3 - Players may shield bash an opponent on their front or side. Bashing an opponent from the rear is prohibited. Bashing an opponent who has lost a leg is prohibited.

4.8.4 - Players may shield check an opponent from any direction. Players may shield check opponents who have lost a leg.

Just needed to be posted again.  My least favorite practice other than double handed red shots to the knuckles on purpose.

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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2011, 06:10:46 pm »
To the OP:

Ten foot full draw face shot.

Getting back up? I have more arrows.

Problem solved?
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2011, 06:25:14 pm »
And then Mr. Aggressive breaks an arrow around your bow the next time he bum rushes you.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2011, 07:03:21 pm »
Then the real fun ensues ;)

Also, I'd simply call "Broken weapon" and walk off the field to remove the hazard.

I have yet to find a real way to deal with truly aggressive fighters. Can't change people from angry to calm folks just like that.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2011, 07:13:39 pm »
I don't know if aggressive is the word I'd use to describe the OP's situation, cause I know a few "aggressive" fighters in my chapter who love to get in close swinging like crazy, push you over, etc. Most of which can be countered with a side step and a wrap if they are just pushing their weight around, but it can be fun having someone aggressive to fight as long as it's controlled. Though the running shield bash + rolling over someone is cheating and unsafe.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2011, 07:26:03 pm »
Talk to them about what they are doing and why it is frowned upon even if it is allowed within the rules. You don't have to try and out aggressive them, you can just talk to them. If they don't change, well nothing you do is gonna change it.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2011, 09:28:44 pm »
We all know or have witnessed it. Someone who shield bashes the legged, rhino hides, throws late shots just to the hit. How do you deal with such a fighter?

Wouldn't consider the words "aggressive fighter" an accurate description to this behavior.

Shield bashing the legged is against the rules, late shots don't count and rhino hiding is being cheesey.

I'd deal with it by informing him and a herald that the shield bash on a legged fighter is illegal (they then should deal with it), strike rhino hiders harder or perhaps discuss why the shot wasn't taken after the fight (the person in question might be wondering why he's getting hit too light) and the late hits should just be ignored and tell the person that they need to get those in faster to count.


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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2011, 09:52:16 pm »
To the OP:

Ten foot full draw face shot.

Getting back up? I have more arrows.

Problem solved?

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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2011, 11:27:26 pm »
Tumbark your advice is terrible, while it may work on dogs. We are people and while someone may be acting like an animal treating them like such will just keep them acting like an animal.

False. I work as a bouncer, the most effective thing I can do is treat the patrons the same way I treat my dog. We are all animals and instinctive. No matter how you try to justify how "civilived" we are we are still instinctual impulsive animals
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2011, 12:05:52 am »
Smack 'em on the nose with a rolled up newspaper. <nods sagely>

Mostly it's a matter of keeping your cool and calmly explaining how to be a better, safer, funner fighter. It's not easy to do, because I really mean it about keeping your cool and being calm. Keeping a reign on anger and frustration isn't enough. If you're not genuinely calm, it's just another fight using different weapons. Yelling louder never changed anyone's mind. Instead, be a coach. Remind them to be safe. Listen. Interact. Steer toward better behavior. Let 'em know the rules and the consequences of breaking them, and that it's nothing personal. Just a way to remind them how to play. Then give 'em a time out if needed.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2011, 12:12:54 am »
My answer might seem odd to start with. But I hope it makes sense by then end.

Make yourself the victim, put yourself in the place where this douche is going to try and do something like that.

If he shieldbashes you while legged, make sure your leg is behind you and roll to the side, matadoring him. Then after you kill him, explain why that's a bad idea.

If he rhino hides, hit him hard enough to hurt, then when he complains about excessive, explain why you had to hit him that hard and if he wants it to stop, to stop sloughing shots.

If he throws late shots don't take them and calmly explain why you aren't.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2011, 01:11:39 am »
I usually ever see two kinds of rhino hiding:

1) They don't realize they are rhino hiding, and think that legit shots should hit harder or they just don't feel it. This is usually corrected by just explaining to them what sufficient force feels like. (Had a newbie like this 2 weeks ago)

2) They slough shots cause they think everyone needs to hit their hardest, and slough anything less than an excessively hard shot to get more people to hit harder. These people just need a reality check. While what they stand for may go for some fighters, by the time people start hitting hard enough for them to take, they are already pissed.


As for late shots -shame- I throw late shots every now and then, but I call them off the moment I call myself dead. I don't expect them to count, and it's something I work on now that I'm able to pick up sword and board again.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2011, 03:15:12 am »
We had a couple of issues like this in Mount Pleasant.  The trick is to know if they are just getting too jacked up on adrenaline and just need to calm down from time to time (in those cases giving them five minute breaks throughout the course of the day is all it takes) to people who just can't control their weapons (we had a guy who insisted on using reds even though he continued to throw head shots and we ended up telling him to just use blues until he got better) or people who've decided that they dont want to follow the rules and those people need to be removed because the enjoyment of the group outweighs the enjoyment of one guy who's decided he's above the rules.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2011, 04:18:50 am »
We all know or have witnessed it. Someone who shield bashes the legged, rhino hides, throws late shots just to the hit. How do you deal with such a fighter?
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2011, 03:30:24 pm »
Tumbark your advice is terrible, while it may work on dogs. We are people and while someone may be acting like an animal treating them like such will just keep them acting like an animal. You have to be adults and treat others like adults.
I disagree, I'm not sure about other people but I would respond much better to someone beating the living hell out of me by getting up in my grill and being aggressive, then explaining to me afterward rather than someone walking around in yellow who isn't even the person I'm fighting calling my shots and following me around.  The first would piss me off momentarily but I'd realize what I was doing, hang my head, then try to do better.  The second would really piss me off and I'd leave the battlefield.

Aggressive wasn't the right word to use when referring to the cheater's behavior.  Aggressive to me sounds like hard hitting multiple swings, up in your face, and moving fast.  Being aggressive on the cheaters is a totally valid response though, I know it would get my attention.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2011, 12:23:29 am »
Seriously I don't know where all you guys think you need to take this into your owns hands come into play. If Heralds DO THEIR JOB none of you need to do anything but point it out to the herald.

The problem is years of people not being aggressive with heralding have left hundreds of fighters with this idea of "if no one is going to do anything, I'll do it myself!!!" attitude. Its killing the game, bad heralds or not enough heralds have these problems.

Heck i am only making it to rag on thursday morning and you bet your ass Ill be heralding part of friday and saturday to make sure someone is helping. I helped herald a lot last year too. If you guys have a problem with people cheating step up and take a position in which you are BY THE RULES allowed to do something and PREVENT people from continueing to cheat. If you just go out and throw hard on a guy whos to say hes not going to amp up his aggression even higher.

If someone amps up on me thinking im cheating, I know I will throw harder and be more aggresive (all withing the rules). It leads to more problems. But if someone in an authoritive position yells at me and tells me to calm it down im playing to rough i will take myself off the field and talk to that herald about what the problem is. All of you should do this as members of the game. If you don't listen to a herald even if they are wrong YOU are breaking rules.

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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2011, 10:08:22 am »
Seriously I don't know where all you guys think you need to take this into your owns hands come into play. If Heralds DO THEIR JOB none of you need to do anything but point it out to the herald.

The problem is years of people not being aggressive with heralding have left hundreds of fighters with this idea of "if no one is going to do anything, I'll do it myself!!!" attitude. Its killing the game, bad heralds or not enough heralds have these problems.

Heck i am only making it to rag on thursday morning and you bet your ass Ill be heralding part of friday and saturday to make sure someone is helping. I helped herald a lot last year too. If you guys have a problem with people cheating step up and take a position in which you are BY THE RULES allowed to do something and PREVENT people from continueing to cheat. If you just go out and throw hard on a guy whos to say hes not going to amp up his aggression even higher.

If someone amps up on me thinking im cheating, I know I will throw harder and be more aggresive (all withing the rules). It leads to more problems. But if someone in an authoritive position yells at me and tells me to calm it down im playing to rough i will take myself off the field and talk to that herald about what the problem is. All of you should do this as members of the game. If you don't listen to a herald even if they are wrong YOU are breaking rules.

Varadin,

I understand what you are saying and with just reason and validity.  The thing is that in my position it is in my hands.  We all know the person that walks on the field and things they are X or Y character from X or Y video game/movie.  They then want to jump in with the biggest most clunky weapon and show everyone just how aggressive they can be.  As War Duke I have to help them tone it down before they hurt someone or step on the field.  On the field it's the heralds job, no doubt.   Before the field I have to go over the rules so it's to their understanding. 

I did a feeble attempt at humor with my first post.  Nothing more.  :)
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2011, 10:37:12 am »
I understand Tumbark, but theres more then just you posting with the attitude of Hit them untill they break the habit.

The first action is my book is talk to them. Just like when someone isn't hitting hard enough, or is insert random other thing. Talking is a great first step.

After they have been talked to multiple times and still haven't changed, a great way to deal with them is to tell them to take their toys and play elsewhere. Really I LOVE recruitment, but someone being a douche on the field doesn't help it just pushes away new members.

Also whats this about fixing them before they hit the field? Any time you are fighting it should be by the rules, practice is a great place to practice the rules.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2011, 11:13:49 am »
Iv'e thrown more punches on my field then i care to admit, and I agree that nothing works better then talking to them.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2011, 12:12:35 pm »
I understand Tumbark, but theres more then just you posting with the attitude of Hit them untill they break the habit.

The first action is my book is talk to them. Just like when someone isn't hitting hard enough, or is insert random other thing. Talking is a great first step.

After they have been talked to multiple times and still haven't changed, a great way to deal with them is to tell them to take their toys and play elsewhere. Really I LOVE recruitment, but someone being a douche on the field doesn't help it just pushes away new members.

Also whats this about fixing them before they hit the field? Any time you are fighting it should be by the rules, practice is a great place to practice the rules.

The term:  "Fixing them before they hit the field" is to those that haven't had a look at the rules.  It's the fellow that went for a walk at the park and got nearby.  You have to dedicate some time to explain the rules and then the practice to go through any doubts.  He'll come back a couple of more times and then hit an event.  It's just saying you want them to get a grasp of everything before they do something potentially dangerous.  It's like the no arching unless you attend two events rule at Gwynedd.  For safety reason.  Some people panic when a horde runs at them.  One of my best friends doesn't fight anymore because someone panicked when the line was rushing them and pulled back to swing wildly.  He ended up elbowing my friend in the face and giving him a fracture. 

So in short it's a personal and circumstantial issue: 

At practice
1- talk first
2- fight the person (to judge their aggressiveness)
3 - Give pointers 


At an event

(If the person has been called on multiple times by the herald and is rageful)
1-spar with the person
2-match intensity
3-chill and talk about proper field etiquette

(if the person has been called on multiple times by the herald and seems rude)
1-Take him/her to the side and discuss the issue
2- resolve the conflict
3- back to fighting.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #40 on: June 03, 2011, 12:21:44 pm »
As a noob to the art of Dag., I will throw in my 2 cp.  First I practice with a great group of people. I was base ball bat swinging reds without any kind of form. (didn't know any better) Couple guys took me aside and showed me some things now I am more effective and safe. As for aggressive, I am totally the opposite. Again my unit took me aside and told my to pick up my game, hit harder and take the fight to the enemy. Again I prosper. I could go on with many more examples but I think you get the point. Almost every practice one or more of our veteran fighters gives me 5 to 10 minutes of one on one time to either show me what I am doing "wrong" or showing me a new technique. That 10 minutes every practice makes the whole unit stronger as a fighting unit and on a friendship level too.

I say someone "befriend" him and mentor him. Take a few minutes each practice show him a few new things and encourage him to change for the better. It's not going to be a flip of a switch and *poof* he is fixed, it will take some time but if he is improving that is all we can ask for.

As for safety stuff that has to be addressed firmly but respectfully. Just tell the guy what he is doing wrong and explain why he can't do it. Don't come at him and beat him over the head with rule quotes and walk away. Tell him things like shield charging a legged opponents is illegal because you can easily tear a knee or throw out a back, then show the legal way to handle the situation.

In other words make a new friend and share in a good positive Daorhir experience. That is why we are all here right?
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2011, 12:30:53 pm »
Varadin - Your way is entirely acceptable, and correct even. It just seems that most of the people who are suggesting other things (the ones that aren't saying unload on him) are assuming ignorance, while you are not.

Playing the authority card early and often can backfire, but if they know why (and honestly a LOT of people have no ****ing clue what the rules are anymore, I blame people being lazy, but that's neither here nor there) slam them with the rulebook. If they don't know they need instruction.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2011, 02:48:28 pm »
We all know or have witnessed it. Someone who shield bashes the legged, rhino hides, throws late shots just to the hit. How do you deal with such a fighter?

Bring it to the attention of the guys in the yellow tabbards. Ask the guy to call light/garb/etc when he's going to not take any particular shot. Remind him the rules prohibit bashing the legged. Call "LATE!" when his shots hand land after he's been struck by one that he takes a death on. Why all the drama?
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2011, 01:04:14 am »
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We all know or have witnessed it. Someone who shield bashes the legged, rhino hides, throws late shots just to the hit. How do you deal with such a fighter?
1. Tell a herald, explain it yourself, take extra measures to protect yourself. When I get some dumb**** barreling down at me when I'm legged, I'll slide to the side or put my shoulder into my shield and check him in the knees.

2. Put more stank on it, stab them in such a way that they "make the noise," tell a herald, or get friends, and then tell people around you to watch you kill that guy. The dozen people saying, "Oh, wow," "bulletproof," and "geez, dude" usually get it back in line.

3. Keep defending yourself, especially in tourneys. I had a tourney fight in April in which I killed the guy multiple times in the same fight, and the last one was such a no-doubter that I lowered my guard and went to reset. Then I got hit. So keep defending yourself, and then after you block the late shot, hit them again. They'll say, "I was already dead!" and you'll say, "Then you shouldn't have been swinging at me."
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2011, 08:38:39 am »
I bring in-game torment, because nothing beats a solid swing with a red to take their leg and then leave them in the corner having to run plenty of distance on their knees to chase after everyone else. Tire them out and leave them with bruised knees from the knee running. Then explain to them that it will continue to be done to them every few times they dont __________ or they________, etc.
Rhinohide a few times, and for the next few fights, I will swing my heavy red with more than enough power you will not be able to shrug off the hit.

This worked well a one-timer fighter that signed the waiver, then moved away. Plus I have used it against a 10yr old but using a blue sword instead. Hitting the same calf over and over again works well. But every time there is no practice for weeks, I have to re tenderize one of his legs some times.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #45 on: June 05, 2011, 11:31:12 pm »
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We all know or have witnessed it. Someone who shield bashes the legged, rhino hides, throws late shots just to the hit. How do you deal with such a fighter?
1. Tell a herald, explain it yourself, take extra measures to protect yourself. When I get some dumb**** barreling down at me when I'm legged, I'll slide to the side or put my shoulder into my shield and check him in the knees.

2. Put more stank on it, stab them in such a way that they "make the noise," tell a herald, or get friends, and then tell people around you to watch you kill that guy. The dozen people saying, "Oh, wow," "bulletproof," and "geez, dude" usually get it back in line.

3. Keep defending yourself, especially in tourneys. I had a tourney fight in April in which I killed the guy multiple times in the same fight, and the last one was such a no-doubter that I lowered my guard and went to reset. Then I got hit. So keep defending yourself, and then after you block the late shot, hit them again. They'll say, "I was already dead!" and you'll say, "Then you shouldn't have been swinging at me."

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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2011, 12:13:23 pm »
I often run. It makes things easier. If I know them, then I will likely fight them less and then explain why I do not fight them. I have one friend who I do not engage in duels as often because many strikea causes significant pain.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2011, 09:47:41 pm »
For the most part, this isn't an issue of fighters being 'aggressive'. and more with them being a bad sport or even cheating.

1. Shield bashing the legged: Instruct them they cannot bash, but rather need to check them. I find a lot of fighters don't understand the difference between the 2 until they are told.

2. Rhino hiding: The answer to that is simple, throw a shot that can't be called "light", or address a herald if it becomes a problem.

3. Late shots: there is a fine line of last minute shots and someone being a dick. If the person is deliberately throwing shots as revenge, have the issue dealt with. The main thing is making sure one can tell the difference. I know personally I through shot combos and sometimes end up hitting a person 2 or 3 times. not to be a dick, but just because I have a flow in combat.

 
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2011, 12:33:08 pm »
Mostly it's a matter of keeping your cool and calmly explaining how to be a better, safer, funner fighter. It's not easy to do, because I really mean it about keeping your cool and being calm. Keeping a reign on anger and frustration isn't enough. If you're not genuinely calm, it's just another fight using different weapons. Yelling louder never changed anyone's mind. Instead, be a coach. Remind them to be safe. Listen. Interact. Steer toward better behavior. Let 'em know the rules and the consequences of breaking them, and that it's nothing personal. Just a way to remind them how to play. Then give 'em a time out if needed.

What Whisper said. Getting into an "aggression war" with a fighter has a non-zero chance of escalating into a real-life fight, and all the resultant legal drama & risk of personal injury.
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Re: How to deal with an over aggressive fighter
« Reply #49 on: June 12, 2011, 08:34:37 am »
Next time you're legged and he charges you, stab him in the dick really hard. REALLY hard. Then explain to him why you did it, apologize and tell him it won't happen again. Because you won't need to.
Or blind side him and ask how he likes it. Fire with fire!
If all else fails talk to the person running practice and make the dude sit out.

I follow the belief that its pretty much a bad idea to intend to injure someone your fighting with.
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