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New Persona; Taking Garb to the Next Level!; Roman theme.
« on: June 03, 2011, 01:52:38 am »
Hey all! Been awhile since I've posted here lately, been out playing rather than sitting on the computer! So I've finally been playing by a good standard for quite some time now. I will soon be heading off to a new town for college (and luckily, with a few of my unit members!) and we decided that our new group would take on a Roman theme! I'm a big-time historian, and with the Romans being my main area of interest, I was ecstatic. I decided that with my historical interest and trying to take my garb to a higher level (and a few nice paychecks I received earlier!), I would be going for high-quality garb. I will be purchasing all of my garb this time around (My garb now has been acceptable, but I can't fathom ever making more... I'm terrible). I will also be leading my new Roman group, and I figured that I should set a good example with my garb. My main idea for this thread is to gather ideas for what I might be lacking and to find out what might not be worth getting. Here's what I'm looking at thus far!....

Torso: http://www.darkknightarmoury.com/p-870-roman-tunic.aspx

Feet: http://www.darkknightarmoury.com/p-5447-roman-sandals.aspx

Waist: http://www.darkknightarmoury.com/p-1287-roman-belt.aspx

Armor - Chest: http://www.darkknightarmoury.com/p-5632-roman-lorica-segmentata.aspx

As for a helmet, it's not my main priority, but I can't decide whether or not to get a steel helmet (would look more fitting, and a lower cost) or a leather helmet (comfortable?). The two I was looking at...

Steel Helmet: http://www.darkknightarmoury.com/p-5861-roman-helmet.aspx

Leather Helmet: http://www.darkknightarmoury.com/p-1278-roman-trooper-leather-helm.aspx

I will also have a Focale for my neck, but I will simply make that myself.

I'd appreciate any comments I could get for what I might be missing, what I do/don't need, etc. etc. As well that I'm buying good gear. I know that many of you know your garb, and one of main concerns is that I'm getting useful garb!

On a side note: Yes, I'm buying all of my gear from the same place. My friend has had much success with this supplier, and I'd rather keep shipping costs to a minimum.

On another side note: I often refrain from using the boards because of how hay-wired threads become. I'm posting this to help further my garb, and nothing else. Please refrain from arguing or posting negative comments!

(Also... I'm sleep-deprived after a long day of work. If something doesn't make sense, I can probably better explain myself after I get some sleep!).

Thank you very much for taking the time to look at this! I wish you all a good summer!
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Re: New Persona; Taking Garb to the Next Level!; Roman theme.
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2011, 01:57:46 am »
SO do you have anything or is this one of those dreamer posts? the "I am gonna rock hardcore, here is the stuff I will eventually get" things?

If it is one of those I would say go talk to midnightwolf he knows his stuff and has some great roman era kits.
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Re: New Persona; Taking Garb to the Next Level!; Roman theme.
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2011, 02:02:48 am »
The only draw back to most of this is you are going to pay high prices for ill fitting crap. The tunic, for 48 bucks you could get something custom from a person like Kevat.

The armor you could probably e-bay for half that and end up with the same results.

That leather helmet is not armor grade. Not that people don't wear them, but still. Its not armor grade.
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Re: New Persona; Taking Garb to the Next Level!; Roman theme.
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2011, 02:04:17 am »
I can understand your concern with my post, Hanzo. I know there's a lot of bogus threads with this stuff. I WILL be buying these things (and soon!). I have all the finances worked out and ready to go. I just want opinions from people who know their stuff before I spend this large amount of money. I'll be content with what I've posted, but i'd love some other thoughts and opinions! But this isn't a dreamer post.
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Re: New Persona; Taking Garb to the Next Level!; Roman theme.
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2011, 02:05:52 am »
And thank you very much, Magnus. Your comment about the helmets is the kind of stuff im looking out for.
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2011, 02:09:06 am »
And thank you very much, Magnus. Your comment about the helmets is the kind of stuff im looking out for.

Yeap no problem. Honestly though on the rest of it shop local, you will do well. I've seen that Roman tunic in person, its a fail for 48 bucks. I'll let her quote her own prices, but just ball parking it...I got 3 linen tunics, custom fit, tough build for well under 200 bucks from Kevat.

Also skip over to the Armor Archive forums, classified section from time to time. The stuff that gets sold there is often a sin price wise, and for good stuff. 
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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2011, 02:10:47 am »
You kind of put up a bunch of the red light links for the average LARPER that doesnt really know where to look for things like this. I recommend going to reenactment forums and asking there. Also www.armourarchive.org go do a search on their forums.

Throw your links you find up here cause most of the stuff you posted is as Sir Magnus pointed out, over priced, un-historical, horse ****.
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Re: New Persona; Taking Garb to the Next Level!; Roman theme.
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2011, 02:14:46 am »
I'll definitely check out that website. Thanks guys! Again, I'm sorry if this a bit noob-like. This is my first attempt at really upgrading my garb, and id love to get some advice (while showing you what I've been looking at).
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Re: New Persona; Taking Garb to the Next Level!; Roman theme.
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2011, 02:17:50 am »
Well I just did a 180 on garb myself so I have some recovering LARP dude insight for sure. What I did (much like you did) is pick a time period I wanted and I just copied it piece for piece. You can cheat a bit, kit bash some stuff, but if you keep on target garb and gear wise it will seriously pop.

Also look for photos of people that just nailed the look you want and copy thier asses :)
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2011, 02:39:46 am »
Hehehe, thanks.  :D So what about the smaller pieces, such as the belt or the sandals? I feel like those would at least work, though. Sandals more than anything. I also have good boots from my current garb, but they're impossible to break in and I still get blisters. So im not totally on a loss for footwear, but the breathing space and lack of blisters could do me well.
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Re: New Persona; Taking Garb to the Next Level!; Roman theme.
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2011, 02:45:38 am »
Well the belt is kind of like everything else. For 48 bucks you could get something a lot nicer and more functional.

Shoes are a bitch. I am picky. My general rule of thumb is get something that is going to keep your feet happy and not stand out in photos. Even if that means some black combat boots for a while. Then you can shop around.

Normally I would say don't go cheap on footware, but honestly my current period shoes cost 25 bucks and are awesome.
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2011, 02:45:38 am »
if you want to look good there really arent any shortcuts for entire pieces of garb, I would look into a reseller of westland crafts shoes, they made a good affordable roman sandal.
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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2011, 03:16:45 am »
Thanks for all the footwear tips! Always been a tough area.
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Re: New Persona; Taking Garb to the Next Level!; Roman theme.
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2011, 07:46:12 am »
hey im late for work so i dont have a bunch of time but jsut from the look at teh first 3 links...

DONT BUY ANY OF IT, ITS NOT PERIOD OR PERIOD LOOKING AT ALL hehehehe i'll get you some great links tonight ok? :)

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Re: New Persona; Taking Garb to the Next Level!; Roman theme.
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2011, 07:48:24 am »
Here are a couple of other vendors of Roman gear. I cannot vouch for the quality as I have never purchased from either of these, but some of the stuff looks to be higher quality.

http://legvi.tripod.com/armamentarium/id74.html
http://www.lawrensnest.com/roman.html

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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2011, 09:00:16 am »
Anything you need made out of cloth (tunic, pants, ect) you should get custom from Badassgarb.com. Or you can contact me through E-mail Blackhawk@dagorhir.com and I will put you in touch with Kevat personally and she can outfit you with quality custom garb fitted to your specs, at a price that cant be beat.
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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2011, 09:13:11 am »
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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2011, 10:53:15 am »
Thanks for all the links, guys! Seems I still I have some browsing to do. Blackhawk, I've seen that website before, and it all looks very good! But everything is described as being styled as Saxon, Anglo-Saxon, Norman... could I special order one that isn't?  And as far as dealing with individuals; I would, but I know most deals work such as: "meet me at Rag and we'll exchange then!". Unfortunately, with my chaotic schedule, I can't make any deals to meet people to exchange. But thanks for all the links/help, guys! I really appreciate it!
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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2011, 11:00:53 am »
Thanks for all the links, guys! Seems I still I have some browsing to do. Blackhawk, I've seen that website before, and it all looks very good! But everything is described as being styled as Saxon, Anglo-Saxon, Norman... could I special order one that isn't?  And as far as dealing with individuals; I would, but I know most deals work such as: "meet me at Rag and we'll exchange then!". Unfortunately, with my chaotic schedule, I can't make any deals to meet people to exchange. But thanks for all the links/help, guys! I really appreciate it!
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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2011, 12:15:25 pm »
Beyard, I live an hour away and make garb. Shoot me a message on the FB.
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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2011, 12:30:44 pm »
These links are proving very useful; I'm glad I posted this thread. Thanks guys!  :)

@Siguric: I totally blanked that you can make stuff and you live a lot closer to me than I think. I'll definitely message you on FB!
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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2011, 01:48:49 pm »
just make sure the armor is armor grade.
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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2011, 01:58:11 pm »
@Beyard

I just got a couple scarlet linen tunics from Badassgarb for my Roman persona, and I'm a huge fan. I got them sleeveless and knee-length, and they're as close to reenactment quality as I could ask for, and quite affordable, too. I can also attest that they're excellent in the heat (it's been ~90F down here these days) and would probably go well with whatever you'd layer on top of it. I've gotten off-the-shelf cotton tunics before from sites like what you listed above and it's very noticeable that the manufactured ones stain more easily and aren't nearly as comfortable.
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Re: New Persona; Taking Garb to the Next Level!; Roman theme.
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2011, 02:14:51 pm »
If and hopefully when you start making your stuff you should check out this site: http://www.incidentalpadding.com/
Really helpful articles and stuff.
EDIT: And read this thread! http://www.dagorhir.com/forums/index.php?topic=14034.0
If you are going to Rag I think some merchants will alter tunics on site for you.
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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2011, 03:03:49 pm »
@Sarus

I was definitely looking at Badassgarb, I was just a tad worried about if the tunic would look like they fit or not. But thank you for the input! One of my biggest reasons for really wanting to make sure I have a good tunic is for the heat. Most of my playing is in very hot weather, and my current Celtic garb that keeps me warm on a cold day is a bad move now that the weather is getting hot. Thanks!

@Svava

I actually will probably end up making a couple more things, but if anything, that will be to help garb my newer members and not myself. So thanks for the links! I'll keep them for future use!
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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2011, 09:27:45 pm »
Honestly for your Segmentata I would go with the following ebay vendor, I bought mine there and couldn't be happier (it might not be exactly 100% historically accurate, but it is very good 18 ga steel armour)
http://stores.ebay.com/SwordNArmory/Roman-Armory-/_i.html?_fsub=369550016&_sid=795588326&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
You might also check this site out for other historically accurate gear (they carry just about everything you could possibly want to do a historic recreation, a bit pricey, but worth it!)
http://legvi.tripod.com/armamentarium/id74.html
And since you are interested in doing a Roman Unit you might check out the Official Dagorhir Rome site
http://www.romanempire.net/romepage/
And since you are in teh Midwest you might want to contact the leader of the regional chapter (Province of Rome...aka Britannia), Aster of the Dominion of the Unconquered Sun, he can be found on the Tome of faces under Daniel Leith and I believe his Dagorhir Email is still active at aster@dagorhir.com
And finally for your tunics you can do what I'm doing, a basic "sack" tunic that was in use around 100 a.d., which is a simple 30" wide, by 44" long tunic made by sewing two rectangles together length wise (the overlap from the shoulders will form a type of sleeve, but the Romans of this period considered sleeves to be "effiminate")
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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2011, 09:29:59 pm »
hmm id say talk to Maximus... but ur a little far away for nice heavy duty custom made leather
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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2011, 11:53:14 pm »
@ Angus:

Thanks! I think as far as armor goes, as long as it looks half-way decent and doesn't punch too big of a hole in my pocket, I may be content picking up whatever seems good. But I've been looking at that site and a few others, and I like what I see!
As far as joining Rome, I've really considered it. I already run a local group of about 15 active players, some of which will be joining me in my new town for college. The group I will be starting there with my unit-mates will be a little bit more of a group for the people on campus. I looked at Rome's rank system, and while I have zero problems with it, I don't think it's exactly how I'd like to run my group (mainly considering because of the estimated size). I'd be going for a very basic, minimal ranked group, but I want to make sure that it's a structure that works for us. But I'm willing to talk and see if anything can be figured out/we can team up with you sometime!
And thank you very much for the tunic advice. I'm going to be asking a friend of mine for help with the tunic, I think, and that bit helps what I'll be asking for.

@ Azriel

Other than that helmet I was looking at (which I'm now heavily doubting getting), I don't think I'll be doing much leather.  :-\
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« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2011, 09:53:08 am »
besides the great venders here on Dag, talk to Katy at http://www.merchantadventurers.com/ for your tunic

heres some ideas from all 1 vender to keep shipping down like you asked

belt:
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=OB2893&name=Roman+Balteus
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AH6701&name=Roman+Brass+Studded+Balteus
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AH3868&name=Roman+Soldier+Balteus

armour:
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AH6803&name=Roman+Lorica+Hamata
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AH3851&name=Roman+Lorica+Segmentata
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AB0006&name=Roman+Lorica+Segmentata

helmet:
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AH6303B&name=Roman+Auxilary+Infantry+B+Helmet
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AH6055B&name=Roman+Brass+Coolus+C+Helm
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=DS20&name=Roman+Brigetio+Galic+J+Helmet
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=DS18&name=Roman+Galic+A+Tinned+Bronze+Helmet
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AH6053N&name=Roman+Gallic+H+Helmet
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AH6054N&name=Roman+Imperial+Italic+D+Helmet


http://www.larp.com/legioxx/ is a great place to start
http://www.larp.com/legioxx/bad.html a list of things to avoid
http://www.larp.com/legioxx/supplrs.html source of venders etc

caligue:
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=200254&name=Roman+Caligae+Sandals so so leather
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=GB0904&name=Roman+Caligae+Sandals+-+Dark+Brown

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« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2011, 11:38:50 am »
@ Midnightwolf

Thanks for the links! I looked at Kultofathena when I thought I might have done Greek. I guess I forgot to look there for Roman! As far as the armor goes, that third one is the same piece I posted above, just for less. Thanks! I'll probably be getting that. I'm not sure about the belts though. Not to say I may not get them years from now, but those prices are a bit too steep.
On the Caligae though... I really want them. But they're a very old form of cleats. And if I remember right, cleats are illegal in Dag? I would have to think that safety has priority over historical accuracy. While I would like to have some historical accuracies to my garb- this is mainly for Dag, so playability does come first.
Thank you so much for the help though!  :D
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« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2011, 11:41:04 am »
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« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2011, 12:28:03 pm »
there not spiky like modern cleats, at least not the ones sold.. originals were ehehhe. so i wouldn't say they would do any more damage than a thick soled/grove combat boot that i see so many people wearing.

if price is an option u can always make a belt out of leather and a door kick plate. i made 2 this way. http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=RB01&name=Early+Roman+Belt this is a cheaper alternative than the one u posted. not 100% period but i have one and its not too bad.

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« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2011, 12:33:05 pm »
Okay. I didn't know if that would fly or not. Because, you're right. They aren't giant cleats sticking out, and wouldn't do anymore damage than hard-soled boots. But I was just thinking along the "technical" lines.
I really like that belt though! I think I'll be getting that  :)  My main goal here, is really just to look half-way decent, and better than most people who wander onto the field. I'm not looking to be 100% period. Just to be better than my current state, and fit my theme that I want to build on the rest of my Dagorhir career.  ;)
Thanks, Midnightwolf!
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« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2011, 01:16:19 pm »
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« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2011, 05:30:26 pm »
Salve, Beyard,

I'm always glad to see more people interested in Roman history and Roman personae. I'm basically the biggest Roman history nerd in the world, and am personally glad to see more Romans on the field. After all, we do deserve to rule the world. I mean, who else can do it as well. ;)

I have a few comments on the garb links you posted, some hints on how to do a successful Roman unit, and some helpful links for you.

First off, regarding the links you posted from Dark Knight Armory:

  * As several other people have said: skip the leather helmet. A Roman, and especially a Roman commander, represents the dignity and majesty of Rome. I've seen that particular helmet, and to call it a flimsy piece of crud is overgenerous.

  * The metal helmet looks a little better. That hollow visor, however (the protruding piece over the brow) is simply a thin piece of metal bent into an L. It will bend and break, rapidly. Look for a helmet with a solid visor or be prepared to take that off when it breaks. Also, bear in mind that historical Roman helmets go beyond the Imperial Gallic style: I'd personally love to see some Coolus or Montefortino helmets on the field.

  * The caligae (sandals) look pretty decent. They'd make good feast garb, but I, for one, would never, ever fight in sandals. Romans are usually to be found in the heaviest shield wall scrums, pushing and shoving and generally kicking hell out of their opponents. Historical accuracy be damned: for fighting, I wear sturdy leather boots with good traction and ankle support. Your unbroken toes will thank you.

  * Lorica segmentata is very nice armor to wear. It looks fantastic and distinctively Roman, offers good protection, and is remarkably flexible for plate armor. That particular segmentata looks, well, bad. I mean, going by the picture, the chest plates are bizarrely different sizes and completely fail to overlap. It's either bad armor or the worst marketing picture I've ever seen. If you do wear segmentata, be prepared to get really good at fixing it. The straps and rivets where the four pieces join together were a weak spot in Roman times, and remain so today. You will blow out hinges and rivets, and you will have to fix them. Again, and again, and again.

  * Bear in mind as well that, Hollywood notwithstanding, Roman legions were not especially uniform in armor. It's entirely appropriate for legionaries and centurions of any period to be found in chain, segmentata, and even scale, as well as wearing a mix of helmets. The historical case for officers in lorica musculata is less strong, only attested in carvings. In Dagorhir's Rome, we reserve musculata for citizens only.

* Badassgarb or one of the other estimable Dagorhir vendors can make you a nicer Roman tunic than that for the money. One thing to keep in mind when designing your unit's uniform - the case for red tunics on roman soldiers remains hotly debated. You don't have to have red tunics to look Roman, but you should settle on a uniform look.

* The belt. Romans wore belts, yes. That is indeed a picture of a belt. If you want a more historically accurate look, try a cingulum (also called a balteus). For fighting purposes, many Dagorhir Romans wear what we (inaccurately)call pteruges - basically, a belt and skirt of armor grade leather flaps that covers you from the bottom of your lorica to the top of your greaves, which are also recommended for game purposes, even if they weren't issued to every legionary historically.

Ok, now a few tips on how to make a successful Roman unit. Bear in mind, these are my personal thoughts on the matter. It's your unit, do it how you like.

  * If you're going to be Romans, fight like Romans. Romans are soldiers, not warriors. It's an important difference. We look alike, use a standard set of weapons, and maneuver and fight as a unit.  If you wander out on the field with some guys with sword/shield, some dual wielders, a couple of greatsword guys, and some assorted polearms and then rush off in all directions and get waxed, people will say "Hey, look, a bunch of barbarians in captured Roman gear." This takes practice. When you get together for unit practices, don't just spend time fighting. Learn how to work together in teams. Practice forming a line, advancing, wheeling, charging. Establish a command structure and make sure everyone understands it and what their job is. Stay together, move together, and for Jupiter's sake, attack together. Piecemeal Romans are dead Romans.

  * Look like Romans. That means uniform garb and equipment. Everyone should wear the same color tunic (as above, not necessarily red). With the exception of a few support weapons, your weapons should be javelin, short sword, and scutum. You don't necessarily have to have everything right out of the gate, but it's a good goal to work towards. It helps establish discipline and esprit de corps, which is a good part of what differentiates a group of soldiers from a warband.

  *Behave with dignitas. When you take the field as a Roman, your behavior reflects on all Romans. Play fair. Be a good sport. Don't rhinohide. Don't be a jerk to people - everyone's out here to have fun. Contribute to the game, and to the good time of your fellow players. When someone quotes Monty Python ("What have the Romans ever done for us?") they should, on reflection, be able to come up with a good list of stuff to answer it with. You know, roads, education, water, law and order, keeping the peace... ;)

Finally, here's a few links I've found to be helpful. Some are primarily history, others are excellent resources for making historical kit or adapting Roman culture to the modern world.

  * http://larp.com/legioxx/ - One of the best resources I've found for historical Roman kit. These guys are living history reenactors, and they take it seriously. How to make everything Roman you could ever want.

  * http://www.livius.org/rome.html - Roman history.

  * http://www.romanarmy.com/cms/ - more Roman history, with a focus on military matters. They have an excellent forum.

  *  http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Main_Page - a group dedicated to bringing back the Roman Empire (or at least, to reviving Roman culture). I've been a member, and now I'm not. Their website is goldmine of resources. Their group culture, I found to be...acrimonious. They make folks on these boards look like gentle little lambs.

  * http://www.armourarchive.org/ - several other people have mentioned this, but it bears repeating. Almost everything you ever wanted to know about armoring, and a good classified section, too.

* http://thehistoryofrome.typepad.com/ - an excellent and entertaining Roman history podcast, from Aeneas to Romulus Augustulus.  Check it out. If you like Roman history, you'll love it.

Well, now that I've run my mouth at great length, let me say welcome, fratre, and good luck with your new unit! If you have any questions, or if I can help in any way, please ask.  I read these boards regularly, although I post infrequently. You can also find me (Peter Ponzini) on the Tome of Faces.

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« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2011, 09:02:59 pm »
Thank you for taking the time to post all of that, Gnaeus! I'd love to speak with you more in-depth, so please feel free to add me on FB (Rob Nugent. The picture is of me fighting in a backyard.. Can't miss it).

As far as gear goes, I've actually made a great deal of progress since I first posted my "list of things to get", making arrangements with people I know, and finding items from different websites.

-- On the helmet, I'm thinking that just for now, I may skip that part, but I almost went for the Montefortino, actually. But I decided I wanted to look a little more generic-Roman instead  ;)

-- On the caligae, I decided I probably won't be purchasing any. I have a pair of sandals that (of course, minus the rubber soles), would look convincingly "okay" soles up; but with that said, I do all of my fighting in leather boots.

--I had no idea that armor was in need of such maintenance. I'll have to start looking at armor more closely, but thank you for making me aware of that! As far as chain, I've put it on before, and I must say that I'm no fan of wearing it.

-- For belts, this is a minute detail that I honestly won't care if I'm 0% period or not, but the link that Midnightwolf posted above is what I will probably be getting.

-- Tunics, I contacted a friend of mine (Siguric!) to make one for me. But I may pick up another for the sake of having a spare. As for uniformity, I probably will make my unit wear a standard red tunic. I know red wasn't constantly used, but it does give off the "Hey, look, a Roman!" when people see you in their peripheral vision.

As for units: Thank you for your input! I greatly appreciate you taking the time to share your knowledge with me. I do plan on running my group in a more "unified" way. My current unit that I run is very much so "Warriors" rather than "Soldiers". My guys can hold their own and fight well, but we're bogus when we fight as a group, and we all sort of go our own ways. This is one of the main things I want to change in my new group. I will make a red tunic the standard "minimum" wear for my members, but past that, I won't be harsh on whether or not they want armor, what accessories they want, etc etc. As far as weapons go, this is something I've really discussed with the guys making this unit with me. I think we really have decided that we'd like to use more uniform gear, and not have everyone doing their own thing. Not to say that we don't a few people with other weapons, but we'd like a "core" group that's similarly outfitted with the short sword, scutum, and javelin.

And in ANY game I play, whether it's soccer, hockey, football, or Dagorhir- I always remind my teammates to be good sports. You don't have to worry about that, my friend!  ;)

Thank you for all of the links! I've been brushing up on a lot of my Roman history lately, (though, I just took a break to read a new book I bought on Alexander the Great  :D) and I appreciate the help!

I look forward to speaking with you in the future! I'd love to run some of my ideas past you!
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« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2011, 08:53:12 am »
ave Gneaus! I was woundering when ud chime in on this!
reguarding red... The frist rome in dag wore white from the pics i saw, would be cool to see more white romans like brutus, look at the pics on the rome site from 80-90s to c what i mean
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« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2011, 07:31:03 pm »
Hey guys! Pretty much got the garb all figured out after talking to people. But im still a bit stuck on the armor... One of my friends who is very chemistry-savvy suggested stainless steel armor. I picked up a Roman soldier manual book and it goes over segmentata care. It seems that stainless steel would be a hell lot easier to manage, and it would last longer. Am I correct in this? This is the set im looking at http://www.AuroraHistoryBoutique.com/Lorica-Segmenta-Stainless-Steel~R000493.cfm
the same segmentata is also available non-stainless on the site. Thoughts?
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« Reply #38 on: June 08, 2011, 08:34:04 pm »
By all means, if you can afford stainless, go for it! I hate polishing armor, and the overlapping plates of a segmentata drive me a little crazy. If it didn't look so darn good...

I'm currently in the process of making myself a stainless musculata, and I look forward to never having to worry about rust. A few pieces at a time, I'm upgrading all my armor to stainless.

Hit me up here (or on Facebook) if you have any other questions or ideas you want to try out. I look forward to seeing you and your Romans on the field some day!

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« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2011, 08:53:50 pm »
Hell **** gods yes, buy stainless if you can. You don't have to get a mirror polish, but get stainless.
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« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2011, 09:09:40 pm »
Stainless it is! Is the armor looking good as far as playability? It didn't give a gauge... but my guess is that its 18. If some of those cheaper and flimsier segmentata were 18, don't see how this wouldt be. But im no armor specialist.
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« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2011, 02:23:41 am »
I whole heartedly agree, go for the stainless, otherwise Segmentata can be guaranteed to keep you out of trouble, as you will be busy scouring it with a scouring pad... As for the "flimsiness" of 18 ga., one thing to remember is that due to the overlapping nature of the plates that even at this thin of a gauge it will feel a LOT sturdier, while at the same time give you remarkable flexibility while wearing it...now I only wish my Mandalorian Armor was as flexible  :P
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« Reply #42 on: June 10, 2011, 12:42:58 pm »
ive owned a mild seggie for over 10 years  and never had to do much to it. once i had to take a green scotch brite pad to some parts cause we marched all day in decembers snow. but thats it. had to repair a strap or two inside but thats the only maintenance.

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« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2011, 06:09:00 pm »
So I was looking at the armor as I was preparing to order it... Go figure, another hitch.

Will fit a 42-48 chest size. (Again, http://www.aurorahistoryboutique.com/Lorica-Segmenta-Stainless-Steel~R000493.cfm)

Are we thinking that they literally mean ONLY in that range, will it fit you?

Or that it can fit UP to that range.

Because I've looked at virtually every other Segmentata I can find, and they all give (approximately) the same measurements, but some will say "fits chest sizes UP to..." rather than giving a range.

I'd have to think that if it didn't mean "up to", someone would have to be selling Segmentata that fits smaller measurements. I realize that your average Roman soldiers have similar body-builds, but the Segmentata was rather adjustable and flexible. I can't imagine that 42-48 is the only size that can ever be used.

Could someone help me with this? (And I apologize if this is somehow a stupid question, but $300 is quite the investment, and I'd rather not waste it). If I'm looking at only the ones that say "up to", I'm either looking at non-stainless/and or/ very cheap and crappy armor. At that point, I'd say screw it.
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« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2011, 07:21:16 pm »
what is your jacket size? i have one similar in mild steel i was a beefy 44 maybe even a 46 at the time. and yeah it fit but u had to loosen the ties in the back leaving a lil hold between the shoulder blades. now that i'm around a 42 i have tons of room :)

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« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2011, 07:38:19 pm »
Assuming I measured correctly, I'm about 37" chest size. I'm only about 5'8" and I'm a rather slender guy, so I guess it seems about right.
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« Reply #46 on: June 21, 2011, 10:23:38 pm »
You just need some padding. Padding underneath armor is your friend anyway.

Check out: http://larp.com/legioxx/subarm.html

You'll find pretty much all commercially available segmentata are about that same size. If you want a smaller one, you're into the realm of (a) making your own, or (b) commissioning one from someone else.

If you want to make one, it's here: http://larp.com/legioxx/lorica.html

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« Reply #47 on: June 21, 2011, 10:40:35 pm »
Thanks, Gnaeus! I'm definitely looking at padding. I'm sold on that specific Segmentata I posted above, and I heavily lack the skill to make my own. I'm not sure I'll be able to make the padding that those guys have, but I have a friend who could help me throw something together, or I'm sure that I could figure something a little more simple out.
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