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New shield rule plastic dip
« on: June 21, 2011, 01:09:53 pm »
4.7.13 – Shields may be covered in non-latex based soft plastic sealant (e.g. plasti-dip) as an alternative to cloth as long as they pass all other requirements.
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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2011, 05:00:50 pm »
I believe this calls for a Woot... :)
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2011, 05:26:11 pm »
don't know.... all the plasti-dip I have used has come out being hard and painfull... but they "can" look better than cloth covers.
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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2011, 05:57:42 pm »
don't know.... all the plasti-dip I have used has come out being hard and painfull... but they "can" look better than cloth covers.

Then your doin it wrong.

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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2011, 07:36:14 pm »


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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2011, 09:02:37 pm »
Mikhail, you make many lols... :D
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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2011, 12:34:04 am »
I am not too happy that this is legal as per the letter of the rules, I would really have preferred if they just be passed on a case by case basis.  I have seen a fair share of PD shields that have rough spots or patches that could be missed in checking.  At Gates of Summer this year I saw a PD shield get passed with a nasty looking rough spot on the face that looked like someone PDed a dish sponge, were I hit with that portion of the shield I may have reacted in a less then positive manner.
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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2011, 04:31:16 am »
I am not too happy that this is legal as per the letter of the rules, I would really have preferred if they just be passed on a case by case basis.  I have seen a fair share of PD shields that have rough spots or patches that could be missed in checking.  At Gates of Summer this year I saw a PD shield get passed with a nasty looking rough spot on the face that looked like someone PDed a dish sponge, were I hit with that portion of the shield I may have reacted in a less then positive manner.

The shield still has to pass all safety checks, this rule just allows for Plasti-dip as an alternative to cloth.  An unsafe shield should still fail.

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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2011, 08:56:41 am »
The shield still has to pass all safety checks, this rule just allows for Plasti-dip as an alternative to cloth.  An unsafe shield should still fail.

much agreement... :)

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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2011, 12:29:08 pm »
Casimir's post brings up a good point: We've got a lot of experience checking cloth covered shields but not a lot working with PD. What do weapon checkers need to look for on PD shields that they haven't had to worry about with cloth covered shields? Should the checking process look a little different (to look for rough spots on the finish, for example)?
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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2011, 12:37:42 pm »
Alric,

I don't know that anything has to be checked differently.  If the biggest complaint is that it could be rough, then I would counter that regular cloth and paint can be rough as well.
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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2011, 12:40:33 pm »
generally one should check the build up parts or places where they come to hard edges. never had one fail, but those tend to be the slightly harder places. also, like alot of things we have, you need to "break in" the plastic so its not at its full rigidity. and like tape, if there's too much it will come out hard.
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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2011, 03:39:33 pm »
I am not too happy that this is legal as per the letter of the rules, I would really have preferred if they just be passed on a case by case basisI have seen a fair share of PD shields that have rough spots or patches that could be missed in checkingAt Gates of Summer this year I saw a PD shield get passed with a nasty looking rough spot on the face that looked like someone PDed a dish sponge, were I hit with that portion of the shield I may have reacted in a less then positive manner.

The shield still has to pass all safety checks, this rule just allows for Plasti-dip as an alternative to cloth.  An unsafe shield should still fail.
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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2011, 04:41:59 pm »
I am not too happy that this is legal as per the letter of the rules, I would really have preferred if they just be passed on a case by case basisI have seen a fair share of PD shields that have rough spots or patches that could be missed in checkingAt Gates of Summer this year I saw a PD shield get passed with a nasty looking rough spot on the face that looked like someone PDed a dish sponge, were I hit with that portion of the shield I may have reacted in a less then positive manner.

The shield still has to pass all safety checks, this rule just allows for Plasti-dip as an alternative to cloth.  An unsafe shield should still fail.
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I see your point, but doesn't that just mean that one checker didn't do his job right?

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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2011, 09:10:55 pm »
I am not too happy that this is legal as per the letter of the rules, I would really have preferred if they just be passed on a case by case basisI have seen a fair share of PD shields that have rough spots or patches that could be missed in checkingAt Gates of Summer this year I saw a PD shield get passed with a nasty looking rough spot on the face that looked like someone PDed a dish sponge, were I hit with that portion of the shield I may have reacted in a less then positive manner.

The shield still has to pass all safety checks, this rule just allows for Plasti-dip as an alternative to cloth.  An unsafe shield should still fail.
Emphasis mine.

If Plasti-dip shields were judged on a "case by case basis", wouldn't the exact same thing had happened? Because, as Arrakis pointing out, the person responsible for passing/failing it didn't do his job correctly.
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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2011, 09:44:13 pm »
Don't any of you feel a little ridiculous in thinking this rule auto passes PD shields?
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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2011, 09:45:06 pm »
Where did anyone imply that?
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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2011, 10:34:50 pm »
Pretty much everything before Cas's first post.
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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2011, 01:57:09 am »
The shield still has to pass all safety checks, this rule just allows for Plasti-dip as an alternative to cloth.  An unsafe shield should still fail.

much agreement... :)

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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2011, 10:46:10 am »
Pretty much everything before Cas's first post.

Really? You have an interesting way of reading...

I know I should leave this alone, but honestly...saying that we are thinking PD will auto-pass is about as silly as saying the old wording auto-failed PD shields...


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« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2011, 11:04:36 am »
If it didn't auto fail PD shields, then why need a new wording?

Just saying, your argument doesn't hold up.
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« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2011, 11:11:48 am »
Why need a new wording? So folks don't auto-fail something that that doesn't need to be, and you know that...

What is your dog in this fight Jari?  I wasn't even asking you anything...I was asking BH...

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« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2011, 11:15:40 am »
So you are saying we DID need a new wording to pass PD shields, so my argument holds up.

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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2011, 11:29:02 am »
I never said we didn't...you said that we who were excited about this are under the assumption that the new wording will auto pass PD shields, that is what I take issue with...

and you never answered my question Jari...What is your dog in this fight? Why do you care?

Not one damn thing should auto-pass...I still want to see where ANY of us even implied that...
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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2011, 11:52:04 am »
right now its just to keep you talking
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« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2011, 12:00:01 pm »
Where did anyone imply that?
Ooops, it was more or less a carryover from some of the ramblings at RWC.
I remain adamant that a shield passes or fails based on weather it is safe to be used in combat, not what it is covered with. On this point, I think we can all agree.
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« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2011, 12:03:23 pm »
I remain adamant that a shield passes or fails based on weather it is safe to be used in combat, not what it is covered with. On this point, I think we can all agree.

agreed, whole heartedly

right now its just to keep you talking

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« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2011, 11:03:23 am »
I'm going to use orange marmalade to cover my shield. 
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« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2011, 01:18:47 pm »
I'm going to use orange marmalade to cover my shield.

I want to be bashed by this shield.
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« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2011, 10:57:26 pm »
I'm going to use orange marmalade to cover my shield.

I want to be bashed by this shield.

Only if you smear yourself with peanut butter first.
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« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2011, 01:39:49 am »
I'm going to use orange marmalade to cover my shield.

I want to be bashed by this shield.

Only if you smear yourself with peanut butter first.

Uhhngg... Delicious... Mmmmm...

Wrap me in bacon before that though...
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« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2011, 06:35:40 pm »
I'm going to use orange marmalade to cover my shield.

I want to be bashed by this shield.

Only if you smear yourself with peanut butter first.

Uhhngg... Delicious... Mmmmm...

Wrap me in bacon before that though...

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« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2011, 09:57:51 pm »
I'm going to use orange marmalade to cover my shield.

I want to be bashed by this shield.

Only if you smear yourself with peanut butter first.

Uhhngg... Delicious... Mmmmm...

Wrap me in bacon before that though...

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« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2011, 10:02:26 pm »
I'm going to use orange marmalade to cover my shield.

I want to be bashed by this shield.

Only if you smear yourself with peanut butter first.

Uhhngg... Delicious... Mmmmm...

Wrap me in bacon before that though...

No. Peanut butter before bacon; it helps it stick.

Maybe I can marinade myself in Hoison Sauce after wrapping the bacon?
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« Reply #34 on: June 28, 2011, 11:36:36 pm »
Y'know, there has to be and easier (and more sanitary) way for y'all to get a date.
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« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2011, 08:43:05 am »
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« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2011, 12:59:00 am »
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« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2011, 08:10:02 am »
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« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2011, 10:57:32 pm »
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« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2011, 05:51:20 pm »
Typing from numbdr pad:

related Q,
a sheild painted with a fabric paint that comes out similar to plasti dip be allowed
"Slick dimensional fabric paint, by Tulip" is what i used on 2 sheilds both of which have passed before this rule.
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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2011, 06:03:25 pm »
Why do you ask questions? If they've passed before then you probably won't have any issues...

BUT, as always, it's up to the weapons checkers at whatever event you are at...and you know that.
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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2011, 11:21:33 pm »
I'll fail it.
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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #42 on: August 12, 2011, 02:51:38 am »
If it didn't auto fail PD shields, then why need a new wording?

Just saying, your argument doesn't hold up.

The interpretation that shields are weapons and the rule that weapons need a cloth cover. This rule is a reaction to that particular piece of internet debate.
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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2011, 07:34:42 pm »
ah... HA! finally able to get back onto my computer, i was able to find out what kind of base my paint is! and its water base, and not latex!

MY PAINTED SHIELDS NO FAIL FOR LATEX PAINT JOB :D
*happy dance*

(my previous statement was basically to find out if it was a non-latex based paint which it doesn't say on the bottle... >.>  which is why i was so specific with the description.)
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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #44 on: August 18, 2011, 10:08:25 am »
Checking a PD shield, is pretty simple. you check the edges, like any other shield. you press on the PD on the front of the shield and make sure it has give, like any other shield. The last step, is the important one. You have to run your hands over the surface and edges of the shield and check for an "Abrasive texture"

Personally, I have a hard on for PD shields. I love them, have been making them and pushing them for 3 years now. But at gates of summer (not this year but the year before.) ... a PD shield came through weapons check and went straight to me. a Unit member from a far flung area with a pretty shield.  I ran my hands down the edges, and then had to tell him "No" .. and it is a hurtful thing to tell a person who probably has 30 bucks worth of just PD into his shield.. that his work was for not.

But an unsafe shield, is still and unsafe shield. Regardless of cover. 

 I also got hit in the face with a shield covered in burlap, and got a road rash on my face that lasted almost 2 weeks. That, was some BS.
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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2011, 10:42:30 am »
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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2011, 09:23:01 pm »
Wont plastidip just get ripped off when someone puts the boot to the shield?

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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2011, 09:33:15 pm »
Sounds like you've never experienced PD. No, this won't happen if it's given a clear coat finish.
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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2011, 09:44:12 pm »
Or enough coats.
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Re: New shield rule plastic dip
« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2011, 04:27:39 pm »
You will, with time, come to appreciate just how many weapons core out on tip strikes as the stretch-marks and dimples accumulate on the shield from said strikes. A little scary, actually. Though it can give the shield a nice worn look.

Shield kicks just make the shield dirty... washes right off.
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