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New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« on: June 28, 2011, 01:56:39 am »
This is the new wording for the garb rules in the MOA, passed at Ragnarok XXVI War Council 2011.

1.3 - All participants are required to wear a costume ("garb") that meets or preferably exceeds minimum Dagorhir requirements as seen below. The intent of this rule is to maintain a non-obtrusive appearance appropriate to a fantasy/medieval setting at Dagorhir events. Garb is required on the battle field and is strongly encouraged when in public areas. How a player dresses while in a private camp is not regulated by these rules; however garb at all times is strongly encouraged. The event staff reserves the right to make certain areas, functions, gatherings, or the entire event garb required. Proper garb not only benefits the player, but enhances the experience of other players and improves the overall atmosphere of the event.

1.3.1 - A tunic, shirt, dress, or vest of crotch length or longer. Bare chest is acceptable if allowed by law and or camp/event rules, but only if the rest of the costume meets or exceeds minimum garb standards. Clarification: Modern clothing such as sweat-pants, pajama pants, modern skirts, etc is not acceptable.

1.3.2 – Non-obtrusive pants, kilt, skirt, leggings, or similar leg ware. Bare legs are acceptable.

1.3.3 – Non-obtrusive footwear (moccasins, earth-tone shoes, boots, sandals, etc.). Bare feet are acceptable if allowed by the event rules.

1.4 - Forbidden Garments, Patterns/Logos, and Equipment: The intent of this rule is to limit the amount of obviously modern looking items at the event. It is sometimes possible to wear modern clothing in a way (by modification or concealment for example) that it is not considered forbidden. A herald or member of the event staff will make final decisions on this.

1.4.1 - Forbidden garments include but are not limited to: blue jeans, white shoes, camouflage patterns such as military fatigues, visible T-shirts or other obviously modern clothing, and modern hats.

1.4.2 - Real swords, knives, or weapons of any sort (even in sheaths or cases) may not be worn or carried during Dagorhir combat.

1.4.3 - Weapons, shields, garb, and armor may not have clearly mundane logos or prints, nor may be made with fluorescent/neon colors.

1.4.4 - Cleats or spikes that can break or pierce a bare foot are not permitted on the battlefield.

1.4.5 – The event staff reserves the right to allow certain forbidden garments to accommodate special needs, because of weather conditions, etc. These exceptions will be made on a case by case basis. Players are encouraged to overcome this with proper garb when it is possible.

1.5-If non-Dagorhir spectators, parental guardians, service staff, or similar bystanders are present at an event, the event staff determines if they are required to wear garb. This is handled on a case by case basis. 

Male / Female Minimum Garb





Male / Female Optimal Garb





Male / Female Illegal Garb



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Re: New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2011, 01:59:12 am »
Thanks for hooking that up for me Mirelle.
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Re: New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2011, 12:10:18 pm »
This is great.  I think we'll have much less of a garb problem now that we have some better examples of what we should wear.  :)
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Re: New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2011, 12:50:25 pm »
1.4.3 - Weapons, shields, garb, and armor may not have clearly mundane logos or prints, nor may be made with fluorescent/neon colors.



Hanes logo makes that weapon illegal.

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Re: New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2011, 02:48:33 pm »
This is great.  I think we'll have much less of a garb problem now that we have some better examples of what we should wear.  :)
I think the examples of what shouldn't be worn will serve the greater porpoise  ;)
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Re: New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2011, 03:11:07 pm »
I think the examples of what shouldn't be worn will serve the greater porpoise  ;)

I'm trying to figure out who the greater porpoise is. After attending Rag this year and getting a chance to meet some of the veterans around here it really could be any of them. BH, DB, Magnus (all of them), Tannhauser, Hivemind... heck I've got a bit of a paunch too. Hail the GREATER PORPOISE!

Now that I'm done trolling, I wanted to agree that the examples of min, max and unacceptable garb are very helpful. It's important to have all three. I'm also glad Magnus and Mirelle were the models, I'd hate to see what Alric would post if asked to present optimal garb.

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Re: New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2011, 03:18:51 pm »
In the fourth picture down, the man is clearly wearing sweat pants.  You have revised the rules to stipulate that sweat pants are not acceptable. Yet in 1.4 you state you may wear modern clothing if you make it appear non-obtrusive. Sweat pants can be altered in several ways to appear non-obtrusive, so how can you forbid them exclusively?
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Re: New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2011, 03:22:17 pm »
Where does it say that sweat pants are not acceptable?

It's the full combination that is illegal, not just one piece of clothing. The t-shirt and bright sneakers with the combo of the sweatpants make it illegal.
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Re: New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2011, 03:31:35 pm »
In the fourth picture down, the man is clearly wearing sweat pants.  You have revised the rules to stipulate that sweat pants are not acceptable. Yet in 1.4 you state you may wear modern clothing if you make it appear non-obtrusive. Sweat pants can be altered in several ways to appear non-obtrusive, so how can you forbid them exclusively?

Reading comprehension. You fail it.

The sweats in the picture are clearly mundane and have not been altered so as to be non-obtrusive. There is no rule that says "Sweat pants are not allowed." There is a picture of a guy in sweats as an example of unacceptable garb. The sweats in the picture are unacceptable, it is possible that sweats can be modified so as to be acceptable/unobtrusive under a period tunic (although, not worth it at all, just make some ** pants, it's not hard!). The only rule that mentions sweat pants specifically (1.3.1) is referring to what you may not wear when you are going bare-chested. If you find some way to alter sweatpants to the point where they are not obviously modern when worn without a shirt, I would argue that they have ceased to be sweatpants.
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Re: New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2011, 03:33:24 pm »
In the fourth picture down, the man is clearly wearing sweat pants.  You have revised the rules to stipulate that sweat pants are not acceptable. Yet in 1.4 you state you may wear modern clothing if you make it appear non-obtrusive. Sweat pants can be altered in several ways to appear non-obtrusive, so how can you forbid them exclusively?

the fourth picture down is Mirelle in a dress?
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Re: New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2011, 04:11:19 pm »
In the fourth picture down, the man is clearly wearing sweat pants.  You have revised the rules to stipulate that sweat pants are not acceptable. Yet in 1.4 you state you may wear modern clothing if you make it appear non-obtrusive. Sweat pants can be altered in several ways to appear non-obtrusive, so how can you forbid them exclusively?

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Re: New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2011, 09:25:54 pm »
I think the examples of what shouldn't be worn will serve the greater porpoise  ;)
I'd hate to see what Alric would post if asked to present optimal garb.

Step 1: Build a time machine
Step 2: Go back in time and steal some authentic clothes
Step 3: Make Ilsa hand spin some more thread from 600 y/o icelandic goat hair... just because.
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ROFL, some one has spent some time reading Troll Physics.
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Re: New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2011, 09:59:27 pm »
Here's what unobtrusive means: Take the person and garb in each of those photos, and drop them into the background of some crowd scene in The Lord of the Rings or Braveheart or City of Heaven. Do they blend in to the scene and not draw attention? Then they are unobtrusive. Do they stand out like a dork in sweats and a t-shirt in the middle of a medieval costume flick? Then they are obtrusive.

So, yes, sweats can be unobtrusive - for example, if worn with a Bocksten tunic and some Wellingtons or work boots. There needs to be some good garb that catches the eye and distracts from the fact that you're wearing sweats on your bottom half.
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Re: New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2011, 11:11:36 pm »
I'd hate to see what Alric would post if asked to present optimal garb.

Step 1: Build a time machine
Step 2: Go back in time and steal some authentic clothes
Step 3: Make Ilsa hand spin some more thread from 600 y/o icelandic goat hair... just because.
Step 4: Profit!

Ha! No, I'd post a photo of Grikk in his orc getup. Nothing better embodies what Dagorhir should look like, in my opinion.

These photos are very good. I especially like the fail photographs, they really capture some of the ways that people get garb wrong.
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Re: New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2011, 11:27:06 pm »
I'd hate to see what Alric would post if asked to present optimal garb.

Step 1: Build a time machine
Step 2: Go back in time and steal some authentic clothes
Step 3: Make Ilsa hand spin some more thread from 600 y/o icelandic goat hair... just because.
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Ha! No, I'd post a photo of Grikk in his orc getup. Nothing better embodies what Dagorhir should look like, in my opinion.

These photos are very good. I especially like the fail photographs, they really capture some of the ways that people get garb wrong.

Actually additional photos are going to be part of another project I am working on.
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Re: New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2011, 11:35:24 pm »
Speaking of that, I really should finish that edit pass for you. Been kinda crazy busy lately. Maybe late July?

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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2011, 11:39:29 pm »
Speaking of that, I really should finish that edit pass for you. Been kinda crazy busy lately. Maybe late July?

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Yeah I got busy as well. You can probably actually scrap that one. I am thinking of breaking the manual into two sections one for players and one for events running. Either way I think I added a ton of stuff after the last edit I sent you.

We can chat on it more and get back on track. Perhaps for next RAG as a roll out.
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Re: New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2011, 01:51:10 am »
Could you make a set that are pointed at athletic clothes and protection? First picture, fighter with Underarmor shirt, plastic kneepads, bright lacrosse gloves shorts. Second picture, same gear, but covered with tunic, trousers, logos removed from gloves?
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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2011, 04:21:04 pm »
Can't seem to find the word, but what is the Maroon shoulder cover/hood thing called?

And does anyone have a good pattern?
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Re: New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2011, 04:42:07 pm »
It's called a mantle, or a hood, or a liripipe hood, or a cowl, or a number of other things depending on time period and location.
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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2011, 04:42:47 pm »
I've always heard it called a 'cowl'. Never made one myself, but this is the first thing on a google image search for "medieval cowl pattern".

And hivemind beat me to it.
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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2011, 04:51:12 pm »
Can't seem to find the word, but what is the Maroon shoulder cover/hood thing called?

And does anyone have a good pattern?

What I am wearing is this...

http://historicenterprises.com/hood-dagged-edge-late-14thearly-15th-century-wool-p-894.html?cPath=99_108

Very nice wool and a really good price.

However if you would like something cheaper, but also good try here (I own four of hers):

http://www.etsy.com/shop/ThePurpleNeedles?page=1

Kevat also makes them. I don't own one, but I have seen hers and they are nice.

Patterns...can't help ya :)
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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2011, 04:53:46 pm »
For making your own, check this link:

http://www.virtue.to/articles/hoodlum.html

As always, first try it with some cheap, throwaway fabric so you don't cry when you inevitably make a mistake. :)
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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2011, 05:35:16 pm »
Thanks guys! didn't notice that it was a hood, I thought of the word later I was thinking of :Mantle: I will probably TRY to make one of my own using either the pattern Malpan posted, or the one from Whisper so thanks! if it doesn't work out, then I will probably pick one up from the Etsy Link that was posted! Thanks again guys!

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« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2011, 05:10:02 am »
I made mine from the pattern Malpan linked, and it was simple enough that I managed to not even make any mistakes despite working with unfamiliar fabric.  Easy and hella stylish.
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Re: New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2012, 04:09:48 pm »
Chronotix, 

The patterns offered are good ones, and Sig Magnus mentioned wool which is VERY historically correct, but you have to know how to sew...Sewing was (still is) a huge challenge for me so another option (how I made mine) was from leather. Using hide you can do BIG CLUMSY awl stitching which is more like "building" than "sewing" if that makes any sense at all.   Any sort of hide with a "sheen" added is very very good at repelling water, and leather holds warmth really really well and reflects the hot sun just as good. I used (faux) Ostrich skin and it is working GREAT!
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Re: New Garb Rules Re-write passed at RWC 2011
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2012, 11:57:51 pm »
THIS was a great rule change. I am glad it happened
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