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Blackhawk The Apollyon

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Re: Armor Rules Re-write 2.0
« Reply #50 on: April 11, 2012, 08:54:07 am »
Well, at least you can appeal to the dwarf this Rag and be assured of someone getting it right.
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Re: Armor Rules Re-write 2.0
« Reply #51 on: April 11, 2012, 09:02:55 am »
Word....thats who im going to go to anyway this year...
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Re: Armor Rules Re-write 2.0
« Reply #52 on: April 11, 2012, 01:59:44 pm »
If something stupid like this happens again im going to throw a **** fit.

OK - now grow up please.  ::) 

Throwing a fit isn't helpful nor does it solve anything.  Ragnarok and any other event runs on volunteer efforts, and sometimes those efforts fall short.  When that happens, you politely and firmly correct that person and ask them to look at it again.  If that doesn't work, you appeal up the chain of command to the person running that armor check, and then to the person running weapons check (who is normally supervising the armor checkers). 
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Re: Armor Rules Re-write 2.0
« Reply #53 on: April 11, 2012, 03:28:06 pm »
I can vouch for this. At Rag XXV one of the checkers gave me gruff about my maille'd gauntlets, with steel plate llames (Wrist and above). I calmly reminded him that maille was specifically legal and that the llames were upon my forearm, not hand, so we sought his 'superior'. Everything worked out fine.

I would also advocate carrying a copy of the MoA with you, if you know that a particular piece has a tendency to be questioned!
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Re: Armor Rules Re-write 2.0
« Reply #54 on: April 11, 2012, 04:59:03 pm »
I know all the people doing armor check this year, and we're not, uh, the uneducated masses.

Magnus, I haven't seen non-coms doing weapons check, though I have seen 80 lb girls testing Reds ><

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Re: Armor Rules Re-write 2.0
« Reply #55 on: April 11, 2012, 06:24:20 pm »
Look dude, im not gona stir up a big mob and burn down someones camp or something. but i will be pissed off and i will be in a sour mood and i will make huff about it. 3 years in a row? especially when the armor is completely legit! If i have to carry around a fricken MoA so that the people IN CHARGE of making sure everything passes knows what they are doing. you better be damn sure ill be pissed off.
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Re: Armor Rules Re-write 2.0
« Reply #56 on: April 11, 2012, 07:38:46 pm »
Now I am angry, Where is the fit pitching area?
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Re: Armor Rules Re-write 2.0
« Reply #57 on: April 11, 2012, 08:08:25 pm »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIkciQjUKkE
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Re: Armor Rules Re-write 2.0
« Reply #58 on: April 11, 2012, 08:19:48 pm »
Yeah, I've had to explain the rules to weapons checkers at least 3 times at Ragnarok. Well, 4, but one of those times I was helping with weapons check myself.
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Re: Armor Rules Re-write 2.0
« Reply #59 on: April 11, 2012, 09:44:37 pm »
Sorry guys, welcome to attending large events.  Yes they should know better, but no they haven't always been taught better. 

Danoth, my point is not that you wouldn't deserve to be annoyed.  But there's a way to resolve it that doesn't involve a tantrum, or being pissed off or making a huff about it:

Step 1:  Politely and calmly explain why the ruling/interpretation/explanation is wrong.

Step 2: Cite the specific rule and its wording, if available.

Step 3:  Ask, "May we talk about this with the Senior Armor/Weapons Checker here?" 

Step 4: Politely and civilly repeat Step 1, emphasizing that you appreciate their best efforts and you're only seeking to clarify this issue and help everyone get it right. 

Step 5: Repeat Steps 3+4 asking for the Head Armor Checker, and if necessary the Head Weapons Checker. 

I've run weapons check at Rag, and I've run my weapons through weapons check at Rag more than almost anyone.  You've gotta have a zen attitude towards it and have backups and repair materials.  It's just not worth ruining a day at an event like this over whether one weapon or piece of armor got judged incorrectly or unfairly.  There will be another day, and another chance to rectify the situation. 
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Re: Armor Rules Re-write 2.0
« Reply #60 on: April 11, 2012, 11:35:24 pm »
i think weapons checking and armor checking are too very different things....

weapon checking - does it hurt too much ...very opinionated.

armor -- does it x y z ...than its good. the only way to screw it up is to not know the rules, enforce them incorrectly , ot throw your own spin which could be a combination of one or two
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Re: Armor Rules Re-write 2.0
« Reply #61 on: April 13, 2012, 06:26:56 pm »
New Version of the Rewrite
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