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[Tannhäuser.]

Dagorhirrim,

Our website is up (www.dagorhirragnarok.com), and here is the official information about Ragnarok XXVII!  I will be modifying this thread from time to time as new details become available.

Ragnarok will be held at Cooper's Lake Campground in Slippery Rock, PA, the week of June 17th-24th, 2012.  The campground will be closed to mundanes for this week, giving us prime camping space which should allow for 50-75% of camps to have access to power hookups, and 100% of camps to have running water.  There is no noise restriction / curfew.  If you desire a camp in the quiet family area (no drumming or loud parties after 11PM) please indicate this in your registration.

Also, they are rebuilding the one lane bridge on Currie Rd., so if you normally come to Ragnarok via I-79 to Rt. 422, keep your eyes open for our detour signs.  You will need to come past Currie Rd. on 422 to Rt. 19, then turn onto Hunt Rd -> Cooper Rd. -> Currie Rd.  It adds 5-10 minutes to the total trip, but hopefully won't be too difficult to find.

Pre-Registration is available through June 1st.  When registering, please indicate your character and unit name in your shipping information (billing information should be your mundane name and address).

New for this year is Saturday Pre-reg.  The ONLY WAY you will be able to be on site Saturday is if you pre-register for Saturday.  We will not be accepting any payment on site.  Saturday Pre-reg is $60/adult and $40/minor.  If you show up on Saturday and you have not pre-registered, you will be turned away until Registration opens Sunday.  Please do not let this happen to you or your camp mates.

Standard pre-registration (Sunday arrival) will be $50 for adults (18 and over), and $30 for minors age 3-17.  Under 3 is free, but still requires Rag Tags and waivers signed on site.

If you wait to pay on-site Sunday, the price is $55 adults, $35 minors. On Thursday June 16th at 6AM, the price drops to $35 adults, $20 minors.  On Friday at 6AM, price drops to $30 / $15, and on Saturday the price is $20 / $10.  No day passes are available.

There is a meal plan available from Pat, in the barn (I believe the vendor name is 'bountiful harvest' or something similar).  It will run 7 days (Sun-Sat), any two meals per day.  The cost is $90.00/person, and is paid directly to the food vendor.  In additional to the 'all covered' meal plan, she will also have a lot of a la carte menu items for sale.  Normal hours will probably be 8-8, although she is looking into getting people to stay open for late-night cooking as well.  She is vegetarian friendly and can work with some food allergies.  If you have any additional questions, she can be reached directly at pat@cooperslake.com.

Merchant Registration is now closed - the full list of merchants will be available soon in the survival guide.

NO PETS are allowed at this event.

Minors are only allowed to be on site while their parent or permanent legal guardian is on site.

Personal motorized vehicles are prohibited, and no cars are allowed in camps.

Being a camp master is a fairly painless process:

1) If you pre-reg, make sure that you and every one you are camping with designates a single camp and campmaster.  The campmaster is responsible for representing your group at land grab and making sure that your campsite is clean before people leave.

2)  For people who pre-register for Saturday arrival, we will be having land grab Saturday at noon.  At this point everybody picks out where they would like to camp.  If there are any disputes, they are resolved by: A) Seniority (how long you have been at your particular spot), B) pre-reg numbers, and C) total numbers expected in your group.  Usually there are very few disputes.  We will then measure out an appropriate amount of space for the number of people you are expecting.

3)  If you don't pre-reg, or can't make it on Saturday, we will do an instant land grab when you arrive on Sunday and measure out your space for you then.

We are opening new land in the 'Secluded Glen', the 'East Field', and the 'Back Yard'.  Due to higher demand, most of the new space opened is in the quiet area.  If you had issues with noise in your camp last year, let us know and we will find you space in the quiet area.  The quiet zone is the area including 40-49 and 70-79, NF1-NF8, and 14-17.

If you were previously in 18-19 and still want to be in quiet area, we will give your group preference when moving into 40-49 and 70-79. 

Groups in the quiet area are expected to keep lower noise levels (no amplified music), be family friendly, and have no noise heard outside your own camp after 11PM.

The light for night fighting will be at the lakeview shower house location again this year.  If the noise from the light generator or the light itself bothered your camp last year, let me know and we will find a suitable new location for you.

Additional amenities, rules and regulations will be found on the Ragnarok website, and I will answer questions on this thread when I able. I look forward to seeing you both on and off the field as we celebrate the 27th end of the world!

Regards,
Tannhauser

[Tannhäuser.]

Mods, please sticky this thread and un-stick the 'laws of the land', 'letter from security', and 'why we can't have pets' threads.  The letter from security is on our official website now, and I'll copy the info from the other two below:

Ragnarok Rules of the Land:
IF YOU ARE CAUGHT BREAKING THE RULES YOU ARE SUBJECT TO BEING EVICTED FROM THE EVENT WITHOUT A REFUND!!!!

1. Have fun!
2. The landowners and their staff have authority over the entire campground.  Please comply with any requests they make.  ENDANGERING THE USE OF THEIR PROPERTY IS UNACCEPTABLE.
3. Please comply with all requests made by event staff, heralds, and Troll.
4. Heralds are primarily responsible for the safety of participants and keeping order during events.  Heralds may call shots. If a herald calls you dead, you are dead. Do not argue with the heralds. Please volunteer to herald, so everyone has a chance to fight and help out.
5. Safety is our number one priority.  All weapons must pass weapons check before they may be brought out onto the field.  People that sneak unchecked weapons onto the field will not be allowed to participate, and may cause you to be asked leave the event.
6. The term "rhino-hiding" is a euphemism for cheating!  Refusal to acknowledge blows is cheating.  Cheaters ruin the fun for everyone.  If you cheat, you will have the opportunity to watch from the side lines.
7. Do not touch any one else's property without their permission.  Do not enter camps, tents, pavilions, etc. without permission of its owner.
8. When heralds address the participants, please listen silently.  If not, you and your teammates may miss valuable information about scenarios.
9. Dagorhir has a zero tolerance policy for illegal activities. This includes but is not limited to: under age drinking, drug use, stealing, as well as breaking any state laws.  Breaking the law is grounds for immediate dismissal from the event.
10. Real weapons of any kind are not permitted on or near the battlefield.
11. Real or foam weapons are not permitted at any Ragnarok sponsored parties.
12. Don't over use the ground water.  The ground water is shared by the entire campground, and may not be safe for drinking.  Overusing it will cause the water level to drop and we will be unable to access it.  i.e. No swimming pools filled with ground water.
13. Trash must be maintained in a reasonable fashion.  Place bags of trash in dumpsters for pick up.
14. There must be visible boundaries (sheet walls, rope walls, etc) around each campsite.  This will preven people from cutting across your camp uninvited.
15.  There is no merchanting outside of Merchant Row!!! Merchants are required to have insurance for their booths and have specific permission from the event staff.  If you are caught selling out of your camp you will possibly be fined and asked to leave the event.
16. After vehicles are unloaded, they are to be moved to the dedicated parking area.  We are allowing a 30 minute drop off period for cars entering the camping area.
17. Do not cut the campsite's foliage for firewood.  Under no circumstances may garbage, refuse, hay, or straw be burned.  Remember it is illegal to bring firewood into the camp ground from outside the county.
18.  Pets are not permitted by Cooper's Lake.  The only exception to this are certified trained service animals.  All service animals must be registered with Troll.  Proper paperwork for a certified helper animal must also be presented at Troll.

Clarification on #18, since some have asked:

The conversation with Coopers about allowing pets was short and simple.  The Cooper's have had many bad experiences with pets dying at large non-pet-oriented camping events, as well as lawsuits between people and pet owners and property damage as well.  Neither Dagorhir nor the Coopers want these things, so the 'no pets besides service animals' is in our contract.

Ragnarok is not currently in a position to negotiate how 'pet-friendly' or 'pet-safe' our event is.  If it is an opinion of the majority of RWC attendees that pets must be allowed at Ragnarok, we will (in all likelihood) need to find a new site for Ragnarok.  We have so many people attending now that we cannot be at a campsite without a contract, and finding sites like the Cooper's have is VERY rare (ask the people who tried for years to find an alternative to Spring Valley).

Please don't get the idea that the Cooper's are harsh or strict negotiators.  They've given us the campsite at the same price for 3 years now (next year's price is locked in), and even rearranged their schedule to get us a later week in June.  This is simply an issue that is not currently up for negotiation.

Cooper's Lake is more important to us than we are to Cooper's Lake, but I can tell you that the Coopers are exceptionally friendly people, really believe in our organization, and want us to succeed in all our endeavors.

Unless our event becomes 'pet-oriented' (unlikely, but I suppose anything is possible), this could be revisited.  Until that time, we will continue to sign the same fantastic contract with Cooper's Lake that we have, as the Rag Business council is entrusted to do by the RWC.

*Pet-Oriented means that the main purpose of the event revolves around pets, and all attendees arrive with the full knowledge that this event is about the pets, not the people.  All pet owners are assumed to have socialized animals, and all attendees are expected to be familiar with the animals present.

[Silk]

Thanks for the info, T!

Please everybody let's not have a re-hashing of previous opinions and arguments that may have been mentioned in this thread. If you have any NEW questions though, not related to much belabored topics, please feel free to post them!

[Stellaria]

What information is asked for when you pre register?
I need to know what to tell our Unit so that we are all registered for the same camp.

[Janwin]

Based on the site (withholding comments), you sign up for pre-reg via Authorize.NET.  They ask you to put your Dag name and Unit in the shipping information fields.  So it looks like that's all you need.  Name and unit (so people camping together would use the same unit).

[Squire Ducky McFeelgood]

What information is asked for when you pre register?
I need to know what to tell our Unit so that we are all registered for the same camp.

Galadriel answered this in her posting about pre reg

[Stellaria]

Well then, I guess I have been lax in my reading!

[Lykos MacGregor]

I have never been to Coopers.  Could someone direct us to where some of these locations are on this map?



I saw that the quiet zone will be North of 18e/f and 19e/f power boxes, so basically that rectangle under the area marked Rune Stones, yes? (Keep in mind this map has North at the BOTTOM, not the top).

Where is Merchants Row/Circle in relation to this map?

[Askarus Space Beard]

I believe the official quiet zone will be where 40 - 49 and 70 - 79 is. The quiet areas are simply to respect the Coopers, as they have property around those parts.

T will be able to confirm though.

[Sir Mirelle of Narnia]

Where is Merchants Row/Circle in relation to this map?

Merchant row is in the 1-9 lot area.

[Kensman Ilariia]

Where is Merchants Row/Circle in relation to this map?

Merchant row is in the 1-9 lot area.

There was some talk last year of moving part of merchant's row into 19 a-d for more space, but I'm not sure if anything came to fruition.

[Twinkle]

Where is Merchants Row/Circle in relation to this map?

Merchant row is in the 1-9 lot area.

There was some talk last year of moving part of merchant's row into 19 a-d for more space, but I'm not sure if anything came to fruition.

Highly unlikely because we moved merchants *from* 19 a-d because they were rather out of the loop.  There should have been plenty of room last year, but I think there were issues with tent placement from the rental company.

[Kensman Ilariia]

Got it, wasn't sure

[Kyrax the Hobbled]

Here you go Lycos, but take this with healthy grains of salt. 

We camped last year in approximately the light blue area.  The new areas that Tannheuser talked about are labeled roughly in yellow. Merchants row (loop) and the camp store and Barn are in Green.   



Couple of notes for the first timers, the place labeled "Entrance" on the Cooper's map is used by us only for pedestrians.  That gate and the one to the right of it (west) are closed to vehicle traffic.  Instead you'll be routed straight ahead to the Troll booth (and I forgot if its the first or second right turn. 

Also, everything on this map is a rough guess - it's subject to change as the staff gets organized and needs to make changes.  We've got six months to go before the event, so let's give them the time they need and be flexible if things have to change.  Clearly there's a ton of room in the campground that we're not yet using, so if your unit or household don't like where they camp this year, they can probably move to a new site next year as we open up more areas based on need.

[Lykos MacGregor]

Much Appreciated!

[Squire Ducky McFeelgood]

okay, so in my planning of woods fights, I need to slightly know if Mirkwood is or isn't camping in the grove/shady haven area. I've been told rumors and I need facts.  Also, if someone is in the meadow, I would like to know as well.

[Kyrax the Hobbled]

okay, so in my planning of woods fights, I need to slightly know if Mirkwood is or isn't camping in the grove/shady haven area. I've been told rumors and I need facts.  Also, if someone is in the meadow, I would like to know as well.

I'd take that question directly to Tannheuser rather than relying on this post.  From T's message above, those areas are not being opened up.  But its better for you folks running things at Ragnarok talk to each other so that there's no confusion.

[Redwycke]

Hail Mighty Warriors of Dagorhir...I started a seperate thread on this topic the mods may wanna scratch it....


I need Info on how Land grab is done...I have been to many a rag but always as a vendor on Merch Row...This will be my first year as a camp Master and I need to know the in's out's do's and do not's for land grab and camp set up....

Any and all feed back will be greatly appreciated.

Red

[Lady Krystal]

Thanks for the great write up T! It's always much appreciated.

A few questions for someone with a loooooong car ride ahead of her.

1) Saturday pre-reg is ok for anyone/everyone at Coopers Lake? I know at Spring Valley you weren't allowed to show up on Saturday unless you were part of the group(s) running the event. I don't wanna pre-reg for Saturday, show up, and get told we can't be on site or anything.

2) Is there a cut-off time for arrival on Saturday? I've got roughly 16 hours of driving, so I need to know if there's a time I absolutely must be on-site by to make use of the saturday arrival fee.

[Echo Woodsong]

Galadriel, I emailed you a quick question.

[Thrush Svartehjertet]

Here you go Lycos, but take this with healthy grains of salt. 

We camped last year in approximately the light blue area.  The new areas that Tannheuser talked about are labeled roughly in yellow. Merchants row (loop) and the camp store and Barn are in Green.   



Couple of notes for the first timers, the place labeled "Entrance" on the Cooper's map is used by us only for pedestrians.  That gate and the one to the right of it (west) are closed to vehicle traffic.  Instead you'll be routed straight ahead to the Troll booth (and I forgot if its the first or second right turn. 

Also, everything on this map is a rough guess - it's subject to change as the staff gets organized and needs to make changes.  We've got six months to go before the event, so let's give them the time they need and be flexible if things have to change.  Clearly there's a ton of room in the campground that we're not yet using, so if your unit or household don't like where they camp this year, they can probably move to a new site next year as we open up more areas based on need.

Security Camp is where the words "Secluded Glen" are in the yellow area.  As are the Kutriguri and The Ravens of Vidar.  So that should have been blue Kyrax...  Sheesh.  You're so bad at helping.  lol   

Thrush
berserk

[Galadriel]

Land grab will take place on Saturday.  If you want to participate in the main land grab you must preregister to arrive on Saturday.  If you do not preregister for Saturday you will NOT be permitted on site!!!

Anyone/everyone who preregisters for Saturday will be permitted to arrive on Saturday! Troll will be open Saturday from noon until 6pm.  If you do not arrive between those times you will need to contact me by email so I can be back at Troll to greet you.... I highly recommend that you do not make me go back to Troll after 6 pm on Saturday!!!

If you have any other questions please feel free to email me at galadriel@dagorhir.com

Echo can you send me that email again, I do not remember receiving it.

[Echo Woodsong]

I resent that email, Galadriel.

[Tannhäuser.]

Here you go Lycos, but take this with healthy grains of salt. 

We camped last year in approximately the light blue area.  The new areas that Tannheuser talked about are labeled roughly in yellow. Merchants row (loop) and the camp store and Barn are in Green.   

Couple of notes for the first timers, the place labeled "Entrance" on the Cooper's map is used by us only for pedestrians.  That gate and the one to the right of it (west) are closed to vehicle traffic.  Instead you'll be routed straight ahead to the Troll booth (and I forgot if its the first or second right turn. 

Also, everything on this map is a rough guess - it's subject to change as the staff gets organized and needs to make changes.  We've got six months to go before the event, so let's give them the time they need and be flexible if things have to change.  Clearly there's a ton of room in the campground that we're not yet using, so if your unit or household don't like where they camp this year, they can probably move to a new site next year as we open up more areas based on need.

Security Camp is where the words "Secluded Glen" are in the yellow area.  As are the Kutriguri and The Ravens of Vidar.  So that should have been blue Kyrax...  Sheesh.  You're so bad at helping.  lol   

Thrush
berserk

Thrush,

We are opening up more area on the north side of the lake - between the small creek that ran by the Kutriguri/Ravens camp and the dirt road down to the lake east of there.  We'll expand a little every year as long as our numbers keep growing - a good problem to have.

[Scheiny the Space Oracle]

Rag is still a garb-required event, right?  there is some dispute on another thread.

[Aros]

To my knowledge, if you are out of your own camp, you are supposed to be in garb

[Scheiny the Space Oracle]

thanks Aros, but i'm asking on the Official Info thread to get an Official Answer, so when other people ask we can link them here.

[Tannhäuser.]

Rag is still a garb-required event, right?  there is some dispute on another thread.

Scheiny,

Garb is required on the battle field and is strongly encouraged when in public areas. How a player dresses while in a private camp is not regulated by these rules; however garb at all times is strongly encouraged. We reserves the right to make certain areas, functions, and gatherings garb required. So far, all of our formal 'Ragnarok events' are garb required, but we aren't policing people who may have just arrived or are leaving soon, so you may see some people not in garb in public areas.  Proper garb not only benefits the player, but enhances the experience of other players and improves the overall atmosphere of the event.

[Thrud]

The conversation with Coopers about allowing pets was short and simple.  The Cooper's have had many bad experiences with pets dying at large non-pet-oriented camping events, as well as lawsuits between people and pet owners and property damage as well.  Neither Dagorhir nor the Coopers want these things, so the 'no pets besides service animals' is in our contract.

So no pet rocks, right?

[Scheiny the Space Oracle]

woman, are you MAD?  imagine if it got loose!  you'd never find it!  we have to be careful of introducing foreign species.  think what would happen if it bred with the native rocks!!

[Olos]

Plus, those things leave condensation and pebbles EVERYWHERE.

[Thrud]

I just thought it would be punny to have a Ragna-Rock

[Scheiny the Space Oracle]

pssh, i RagnaROCK all goddam week!

[athelas]

There IS such a thing as a "Rag Rock". If you have every been to Spring Valley you probably have a few

[Thrush Svartehjertet]

I just thought it would be punny to have a Ragna-Rock

Security is going to plant some contraband on you and eject you.  *

Thrush
berserk



*  Security will do no such thing, but wishes they could eject people for epically awful puns.

[Wasad]

The site link above (www.dagorhirragnarok.com) says the site is suspended.  When does prereg open?  Is it already?

[Galadriel]

As I posted in the Pre-reg thread.  There are technical issues and We hope to get it solved either today or tomorrow.  Preregistration is open as soon as we get the site back up and running.

[Galadriel]

The site is all back up and running just fine! Feel free to start preregistering again!

[Kensman Bam]

I didn't see anything mentioned here, but I heard that trailers would not be allowed at Rag?  I know you can't keep a trailer in your camp, but surely to haul stuff for several people trailers can be brought on site?  Can anyone please confirm or deny this for me?

[Scheiny the Space Oracle]

people were talking about keeping RVs in your camp.  that' still not allowed.  haul all you want!

[Kensman Bam]

Ok..thanks!  That is what I figured, but I wanted to just clarify that.

[Blackhawk The Apollyon]

I didn't see anything mentioned here, but I heard that trailers would not be allowed at Rag?  I know you can't keep a trailer in your camp, but surely to haul stuff for several people trailers can be brought on site?  Can anyone please confirm or deny this for me?

The no trailer rule is for those live in trailers, not for the hauling gear type trailers.

[Tannhäuser.]

Updated the main post with the following info:

There is a meal plan available from Pat, in the barn (I believe the vendor name is 'bountiful harvest' or something similar.  It will run 7 days (Sun-Sat), any two meals per day.  The cost is $90.00/person, and is paid directly to the food vendor.  In additional to the 'all covered' meal plan, she will also have a lot of a la carte menu items for sale.  Normal hours will probably be 8-8, although she is looking into getting people to stay open for late-night cooking as well.  She is vegetarian friendly and can work with some food allergies.  If you have any additional questions, she can be reached directly at pat@cooperslake.com.


Also, they are rebuilding the one lane bridge on Currie Rd., so if you normally come to Ragnarok via I-79 to Rt. 422, keep your eyes open for our detour signs.  You will need to come past Currie Rd. on 422 to Rt. 19, then turn onto Hunt Rd -> Cooper Rd. -> Currie Rd.  It adds 5-10 minutes to the total trip, but hopefully won't be too difficult to find.

[Timmourne Darkwater - Lord Marshall - Rangers of Ithilien]

woman, are you MAD?  imagine if it got loose!  you'd never find it!  we have to be careful of introducing foreign species.  think what would happen if it bred with the native rocks!!

Given that Cooper's is at the terminal edge of the glacial moraine, many of the rocks are already foreign and invasive.  What's a little more in-breeding gonna hurt?

[Thrush Svartehjertet]

Also, they are rebuilding the one lane bridge on Currie Rd., so if you normally come to Ragnarok via I-79 to Rt. 422, keep your eyes open for our detour signs.  You will need to come past Currie Rd. on 422 to Rt. 19, then turn onto Hunt Rd -> Cooper Rd. -> Currie Rd.  It adds 5-10 minutes to the total trip, but hopefully won't be too difficult to find.

Bet this aint a thing a live traffic updated GPS will know about either...  balls.  lol

Thrush
berserk

[Scheiny the Space Oracle]

Here are the directions from their website:

https://www.cooperslake.com/home/detourDirections.php

[Theron Ulfsson]

How do I get signed up for the meal plan?

[Kyrax the Hobbled]

How do I get signed up for the meal plan?

Go to Ragnarok, pay/sign in at Troll, walk down the road, turn right, walk to the barn, go into the barn and say hello to the nice Folks at the food counter, and pay them $$.

the tl:dr version - you do that on site only.