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Squire Galashath HarArato

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questions about armor smithing...
« on: January 13, 2012, 11:26:42 pm »
alright to i have gotten good at making bracers, greaves, and cuirasses, but i really need to learn better styles, designs and techniques for leather helms.

im looking for any advice i can possibly get to improve the armor i have and the armor i make for others. pics of my personal helms are enclosed.

http://s1178.photobucket.com/albums/x373/Galashath/helmets/?albumview=slideshow

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Re: questions about armor smithing...
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2012, 11:53:43 pm »
Well..

It really depends on what your going for.

For monster helms, you have the basic idea, but your execution could use some work. It all seems very haphazard, and if thats what your going for who am i to argue, but you can do monster without haphazard.

From a basic construction standpoint i would start stitching your helms, or at least the main parts. Rivets are great for certain things, decoration, detail, hinges, but not for load bearing seams. Stitches make a helm look much smoother.

Your edges and cuts could use work as well. It looks like you drew a pattern free hand onto leather and then cut it out. It's ok, i do that sometimes, but more often, when i'm making a helm, i build the whole thing out of paper, then card board, and then finally when i have it perfect, i transfer it to leather and go from there.

When doing a two sided symmetrical design i draw i build it out of cardboard and paper...then i cut it down the center, and throw one half of it away. It doesn't matter how good at drawing i am, im not a perfect artist and i do make mistakes when drawing. By cutting a design down the center you can take the one half you save, flip it over, and make side two from the same pattern achieving symmetry

The one dome helm you have looks off...probably because its not a dome. An easy way to get a dome pattern is to take a ball cap that fits you well, cut it apart at the seams, and use the pattern from that to make yourself a pattern you can transfer to leather.


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Re: questions about armor smithing...
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2012, 11:59:57 pm »
That was a lot nicer then what I was gonna say
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Re: questions about armor smithing...
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2012, 01:17:36 am »
The thing that immediately catches my eye is the way the domes of the helmets dimple around the rivets, and gap in the spaces between them. I think that's what Kade was talking about when he suggested you use stitching instead of rivets for a cleaner construction.
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Re: questions about armor smithing...
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2012, 01:38:01 pm »
alright to i have gotten good at making bracers, greaves, and cuirasses


Having seen your work on these boards before, it appears to me that you need to work on a few things on these pieces you're "good" at making.

Try making a set of vambraces from this tutorial, for an example of what I mean.

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=118610

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Re: questions about armor smithing...
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2012, 10:55:37 am »
Is it really "smithing" if you're only working in leather?  "Simithing" sort of implies metalwork...
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Re: questions about armor smithing...
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 01:32:45 pm »
Pygophobe, at that rate you might as well say we cant use the term "foam smithing" either.

anyway,

thanks for all the advice guys ill start doing some more research on other stuff i can do to improve my stuff

do you have any helmet styles you recommend for a not so experienced leatherworker that i could learn some stuff from?

btw thanks for the link to those bracers Arrakiss i've been wondering about more form fitting stuff (i saw those metal ones you posted pic of once and that got me thinking) theres also a guy i know who wants me to make bracers for so if hes willing this might be a good time to have a go on that design.
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Re: questions about armor smithing...
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 03:40:03 pm »
Just fyi its called foam smithing because generally the weapons you make out of foam in real life would be crafted out of steel or another type of metal.
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Re: questions about armor smithing...
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2012, 08:45:07 pm »
Just fyi its called foam smithing because generally the weapons you make out of foam in real life would be crafted out of steel or another type of metal.

Also true for leather armor. /trollface
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2012, 09:13:16 pm »
Leatherworking
Metalsmithing.

Google chrome says neither are real words.

The simplest leather helmets you can make are probably to just take a pattern from a metal one and make it in leather instead.
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Re: questions about armor smithing...
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012, 09:39:39 pm »
that's because you need a space between "leather" and "working" silly man
the term "leather smithing" does not exist unless it's tongue and cheek
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Re: questions about armor smithing...
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2012, 09:50:28 pm »
that's because you need a space between "leather" and "working" silly man
the term "leather smithing" does not exist unless it's tongue and cheek

Neither does the term "tongue and cheek".
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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2012, 09:51:05 pm »
Also, tell that to the handful of PnP RPGs I've played that I need a space.
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2012, 10:28:34 pm »
Just fyi its called foam smithing because generally the weapons you make out of foam in real life would be crafted out of steel or another type of metal.

Also true for leather armor. /trollface


Lol... :p
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Re: questions about armor smithing...
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2012, 12:44:03 am »
that's because you need a space between "leather" and "working" silly man
the term "leather smithing" does not exist unless it's tongue and cheek

Neither does the term "tongue and cheek".

Malpan you are so droll.
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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2012, 09:04:10 am »
"Tongue in cheek"
"I couldn't care less"
"For all intents and purposes"

Galashath, good to hear.  That tutorial served me well enough, though instead of using a truck cab and direct sun, I used the old House of the Wolf oven-hardening method (bake at 170 or lowest oven temp and check it every 15 min or so).







The second pic was just after I'd finished the shaping and dying but before I did the splints and straps.

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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2012, 11:42:17 am »
I'm more curious about how you made the gambeson...or did you get it from Revival?
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Re: questions about armor smithing...
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2012, 12:38:23 pm »
I'm more curious about how you made the gambeson...or did you get it from Revival?

Icefalcon was having a sale  ;D

Of course, you can just make two overlarge cotehardies and quilt them together, if you're on a budget.

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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2012, 03:57:37 pm »
Well, that's how I made the gambeson I've been wearing, but doesn't have the cool grande assiette sleeves or button-front. Still, Icefalcon's prices are not bad for the garment, even when not on sale.
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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2012, 07:28:09 pm »
Well, that's how I made the gambeson I've been wearing, but doesn't have the cool grande assiette sleeves or button-front. Still, Icefalcon's prices are not bad for the garment, even when not on sale.

Noticed those little details, did ya?  They're what sold me on it and you DO have total arm movement.  Medium is just a hair small on me, though.

I do have this resource on the grande aisettes, though:

http://www.cottesimple.com/blois_and_sleeves/cdb_pattern/cdb_cut.htm

There's more on her main site about it, too.

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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2012, 08:09:59 pm »
Well, that's how I made the gambeson I've been wearing, but doesn't have the cool grande assiette sleeves or button-front. Still, Icefalcon's prices are not bad for the garment, even when not on sale.

BadAss Garb makes fully custom linen gambesons (Icefalcon's are cotton or poly cotton)  compete with grande assiette sleeves and whatever front closures you'd like, for about same price as IceFalcon.  And they're guaranteed to fit you properly...
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« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2012, 03:38:12 pm »
Well, that's how I made the gambeson I've been wearing, but doesn't have the cool grande assiette sleeves or button-front. Still, Icefalcon's prices are not bad for the garment, even when not on sale.

BadAss Garb makes fully custom linen gambesons (Icefalcon's are cotton or poly cotton)  compete with grande assiette sleeves and whatever front closures you'd like, for about same price as IceFalcon.  And they're guaranteed to fit you properly...

I'll be after y'all for one as soon as I'm done spending all my little money on other bits of armor kit...

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Re: questions about armor smithing...
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2012, 11:49:06 pm »
thanks for the advice on the bracers Arrakiss im thinking about making some of those to sell at an event im heading to in may or maybe some to go with one of my other kits.

i've never baked leather before are there any advantages to it?
 
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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2012, 01:41:18 am »
thanks for the advice on the bracers Arrakiss im thinking about making some of those to sell at an event im heading to in may or maybe some to go with one of my other kits.

i've never baked leather before are there any advantages to it?

It allows heavy, permanent shaping and hardens the leather to basically the same stiffness as barrel plastic.

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Re: questions about armor smithing...
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2012, 11:53:45 am »
alright thanks.

back to the comment about stitching armor together (for helms at least) how thick should the lace/thread i use be?
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Re: questions about armor smithing...
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2012, 02:03:36 pm »
I tend to like to use Synthetic sinew for stitching leather. But then again, I'm crazy.
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