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sparta warrior garb
« on: April 02, 2012, 09:44:35 pm »
looking for historical accurate spartan garb. my google-fu has failed me. all i get is 300. all i can remember from 4th grade history is that they were usually naked but had a blood red cape
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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2012, 10:21:45 pm »
Homie, they were Greeks.  Look up Greek garb.  They wore the same ****.  In battle it would have been an exomis, probably super short (like, illegally short, nowadays) and armor.


AFAIK, that is.  MidnightWolf?  Magnus?  Etc.?

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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2012, 10:45:36 pm »
my name is barnabe not homie. thankyou for the information
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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2012, 10:47:01 pm »
I was gonna post a bunch of pictures of Askarus, but you can't really see his garb past his shield most of the time.

But, I don't think he's particularly striving for Spartan authenticity.
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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2012, 10:52:05 pm »
Hey homie,

Check out this rad movie.

http://www.moviegoods.com/Assets/product_images/1020/399122.1020.A.jpg

All that's legit period stuff dude.
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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2012, 11:02:12 pm »
Hey homie,

Check out this rad movie.

http://www.moviegoods.com/Assets/product_images/1020/399122.1020.A.jpg

All that's legit period stuff dude.

damn it Dudley =_='
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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2012, 11:02:57 pm »
I wrote up a long description, but your Google fu could benefit from Wikipedia fu. Also, I recommend looking up Greek clothing in general, as Arrakis suggested. Other than a taste for foul food and dry humor, Spartans weren't very different from other Greeks.
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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2012, 11:48:59 pm »


Searched "historical spartan military" on Google and this was the 4th result.
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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2012, 12:10:41 am »
Askarus wears a skirt of some sort and a "Greek-ish tunic" like the tutorial I have in the garb tutorials. And a red cape, of course.
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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2012, 04:08:53 am »
most greeks that i know of in battle were nekked heheh. dont think that'll fly ;)

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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2012, 07:43:47 am »
What kind of soldier are you going to be? A hoplite? Because they were the heavy infantry that wore what was bronze plate armor. If you can get your hands on bronze armor, then I commend you sir.
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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2012, 11:36:21 am »
im going for something very cheap and easy to make that will still look cool so i can recommend it my new recruits
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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2012, 11:57:00 am »
Take a piece of fabric and wrap it around your waist to about your knees. Sew up one side of the tube, bam it's a skirt. Put in elastic or belt the piss out of it.

Take a large red rectangle of fabric, gather two ends together and tie them in front, shift it over so it drapes over one arm and side, bam it's a Spartan cloak.

Take two bed sheets roughly the width from your elbow to elbow with arms outstretched and as long as you want it to be. Staple them together about two thirds up the sides, step into the tube and pull it up, staple the bits above your shoulders every few inches. Throw a belt on it, bam its a chiton.

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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2012, 12:07:52 pm »
Here's my old armor/garb, before we went white:

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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2012, 12:08:12 pm »
Greek garb is very easy and very practical for our hot Florida weather. You only need a top of some sort (exomis or chiton) and a belt. If you don't want to fight in bare feet, you can get a pair of sandals. You don't need armor.

You have received some great advice so far; take advantage of it. In addition, I found this site. I am not sure how accurate the instructions are, but they should help you achieve the Greek look.

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~chrisandpeter/radical_romans/snorri/greek_clothing.htm
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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2012, 01:42:02 pm »
Pictures of garb on models and statues: http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/timelinepages/ancientgreece1.htm

Descriptions and more statues from the Met: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/grdr/hd_grdr.htm

An old forum thread on Greek garb: http://www.dagorhir.com/forums/index.php?topic=5768.15

Lots of good information on how to make Doric clothing (ignore the crappy formatting): http://home.pon.net/rhinoceroslodge/hellenic_habilliments.htm#Men


PS: I'm very happy to see all these threads/posts on Greek garb popping up lately. I hope to see more folks in chiton or exomis at upcoming events.
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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2012, 05:50:28 pm »
http://www.larp.com/hoplite/ great source here

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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2012, 05:53:16 pm »
i couldn't get past the awful website.
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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2012, 06:43:32 pm »
i couldn't get past the awful website.

Really? It's not that bad...I mean it's no geocities  ;D
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« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2012, 06:57:13 pm »
i couldn't get past the awful website.

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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2012, 07:04:54 pm »
i couldn't get past the awful website.

?????

He does web design for a living. The site is bare bones and dated in terms of looks, ergo he finds it to be an eyesore :P
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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2012, 07:20:11 pm »
i couldn't get past the awful website.

Oh God. 

There's a Comic Sans option on here??

Time to ruin Askarus' mind forever.


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« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2012, 09:06:25 pm »
It's not a bad site, it's just retro. Makes me think I'm in the 90's again. Brings back nostalgia for my youthful explorations of the "world wide web".
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« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2012, 09:18:41 pm »
just over look all that stuff. Matt's not a web designer, he's an old historian. LOTS of great info on that site. :)

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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2012, 09:33:32 pm »
thanks guys, this is all great stuff  ;D . i'll post a pic when i get the materials and make something worth posting
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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2012, 02:29:51 pm »
Amt will point you in the right direction.

What I'm seeing all over this thread is a conflation of Greek military periods.  Exomides would have been pretty common in the late 5th century (so, circa Peloponnesian War), but if you're portraying an earlier Spartan (like from the Persian invasions), you'll be better off in a chitoniskos.  If you decide to develop that kit, a bronze cuirass would only be period-appropriate for a Persian wars era soldier.  By the late 5th century, people started using tube-and-yoke spolas a lot more (though, Spartans were the last of the mainland Greeks to really hold onto bronze body armor, so as a Spartan, you may be able to fudge it).

It's a misunderstanding that Spartans wore red cloaks in battle.  Indeed, Plutarch, the only one to talk about it (and several centuries after it happened), just says the Spartans "wore red in battles."  Artwork and other written sources don't seem to indicate that Greek hoplites would wear chlamydes in formation (cavalry would wear them in battle, and I'm sure they were useful to all on the march and in camp).  This is why most re-enactors who portray Spartans choose to have red chitoniskoi or exomides.

For the record, Plutarch also says that Spartans have a tendency to go around "without a chiton" all the time.  Not sure if the implication there is that they would wear skirts, or if they would wear nothing.

The suggestions in this thread are all pretty good.  The cool part about portraying a Greek is that it doesn't take a lot of time and money to be really, really accurate with it.
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« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2012, 04:22:22 pm »
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The cool part about portraying a Greek is that it doesn't take a lot of time and money to be really, really accurate with it.

Funny you mention that. I saw Wraith of the Titans on Sunday and notice that Perseus was wearing a simple ragged tunic with a ragged undertunic. (funny, since I got into Dag I have been notice garb everywhere)

When he went to war he strapped on his armor and added a simple earth color cloak. Check it out.
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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2012, 07:19:13 pm »
Look at the new clash of titans  movie its all Greek and its pretty damn cool.  I kinda did a Greek skirt to fight in as i am also in Florida i am wearing it in my pic
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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2012, 09:20:16 pm »
A good general guideline is "If I saw it in a movie, it was wrong".  It will rarely lead you astray.

But this is Dagorhir.  Do it like you saw in the movie (just don't claim to be historical).

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« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2012, 09:34:01 pm »
I would be so happy if everyone looked like something in a movie. Historically correct or not.
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Re: sparta warrior garb
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2012, 09:45:07 pm »
Lotsa good garb in this video.

http://youtu.be/u6QwwvTtS_8
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« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2012, 10:01:16 pm »
curse you dudley and your need to troll =_='
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« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2012, 10:03:49 pm »
curse you dudley and your need to troll =_='

Dudley's need to troll? You mean you're serious homie?
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« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2012, 11:12:39 am »
I think, besides the red cloak, the thing that screams "THIS IS SPARTA!" is the Lambda shield.
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