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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #50 on: March 28, 2012, 07:27:20 pm »
I don't even care if that's historically accurate...  Looks dumb.

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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2012, 07:11:19 am »
The second dress clearly qualifies as garb, but it actually lessens the experience for me because you would never see something like that on a battlefield.
This is one of my most frequent quibbles with the garb rules.  We only enforce battlefield garb, but we set our standards to what a person would wear doing chores or sitting around the cottage.  I'd rather see someone in sweat pants, black sneakers, and a completely unrealistic leather cuirass on the field than someone who looks like a dairy maid or someone wearing a sleaveless 3 oz. cotton crotch length tabbard and scrub pants.  If you're on the field, you should look like you are there to fight. 

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Another example is the rule that states you must scream and fall down when you die.  You will be lucky to see this 10 times the whole week of Ragnarok.  (I suppose you could hunt Graymael all week, since he consistently follows this rule.)
This too.  I got asked 5 times last battle if I was OK.  I expect this will taper off as people realize I fall down when hit well, but it was one of the most amusing aspects of the day to me.
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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #52 on: March 29, 2012, 10:30:49 am »
'There to fight' would almost always be some kind of tunic, and maybe pants. For almost everyone. Antiquity would have you wearing a barely ass-length tunic if you were light infantry, Dark ages would be kneeish length tunic, renaissance would be some sort of tunic and hose. Tunic really is just a good baseline.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_bikini

Bikinis *can* be historical. Anything off the shelf probably won't look gribbly enough, but leather thongs and bikinis are attested in the historical record (Catalhoyuk isn't just old. It's very possibly the First City.)

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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2012, 09:22:50 am »
I still think scantily clad women should always be allowed on the field. But that is also why I am not welcome at the garb gates.

I agree, but scantily clad women dressed appropriately (as in, lots of leather, fur and steel) are even sexier than gals in short skirts and sports bras.

regardless how toned, pretty, and shapely the woman may be, i react with nothing but revulsion to seeing sports bras.  i find women sexier if they're covered collar bones to wrists and ankles than a woman in anything and a sports bra.

Thanks for pointing that one out Twinkle... I was going to ask about mine as well... but seeing as we are both elves who is to say what is period for us and what is not period... I will not dress in drab colors or boring material just because it is "not period" Elves have magic and can "make" their clothes look how they  want to... That being said I do have a lot of garb that is in the batik style... Are you going to tell me that I can't wear that because it is in brighter colors??

the Garb Gates are not going to disallow bright colors [neons are disallowed by the MoA, Garb Gates will enforce that, not interpret it] or most fabrics aside from denim of any color and shiny spandex [bike shorts, underarmor, etc].  linen/cotton/wool/silk are NOT required at all.  they're just highly recommended as they're more comfortable than synthetics.

[i would like to point out that leggings are specifically allowed by the MoA.  i've seen girls told they shouldn't wear leggings under their skirts/wrap pants/tunics because "Leggings aren't garb." and i think i've said so myself.  that is incorrect, leggings are listed as being allowed.
but use common sense rather than a loophole, they're still restricted to not-neon colors and not-entirely spandex.  try to get the ones made of jersey or even with a knitted look.  the more cotton/other natural fiber content they have, the more comfortable they will be.]



This does not say garb to me. Does it to anyone?
Per our stated rules, that is not garb since it is not crotch length.

my interpretation, and i think it's a logical one, is that the rule states fighters can be topless so long as legality allows and the pants/skirt/bottom garb including shoes comply with at least minimum garb rules.

the "only if exceptional" clause was removed at the last RWC.

when dealing with not-crotch-length garb tops, i apply the same rule.  if Rap tried to wear one of his garb vests at hip-length rather than thigh/knee length it would look very odd and i'd mock him.  i might disallow it if it looked mundane enough.  but if the vest was cropped waist length or shorter, well then he looks like Aladdin and the look is believable so it would pass as long as his pants pass.
i apply the same rule of thumb to girls in choli tops or halter dance tops or cropped peasant blouses, or corsets.
a crotch length corset would be literally impossible to fight in. if it's cropped above the hips, and especially as high as the waist, she'll have some freedom of movement.  if the corset looks medieval/medieval fantasy enough AND her skirt/pants and shoes pass as garb, she's good to go.

if her corset is obviously the latest rhinestone covered bile with garter straps swinging to come out of Victoria's Secret she can leave it on and fight, but only if she puts a tunic over it.

remember:  We don't care about what we can't see.
though if you strip layers as you get hot, all of your underlayers have to pass garb rules, too.
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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #54 on: March 30, 2012, 09:38:29 am »
The second dress clearly qualifies as garb, but it actually lessens the experience for me because you would never see something like that on a battlefield.
This is one of my most frequent quibbles with the garb rules.  We only enforce battlefield garb, but we set our standards to what a person would wear doing chores or sitting around the cottage.  I'd rather see someone in sweat pants, black sneakers, and a completely unrealistic leather cuirass on the field than someone who looks like a dairy maid or someone wearing a sleaveless 3 oz. cotton crotch length tabbard and scrub pants.  If you're on the field, you should look like you are there to fight.

got a problem with dairy maids on the field?  pretend you just attacked her farm and she, along with her brothers, father, and uncles, picked up a pitchfork, scythe, or the nearest weapon [maybe she has her dead brother's sword that she took from his hand after you gutted him while she watched from the window] to fight for her life.
get over it.

Breast binding is the original sports bra, but I'm not brave enough to try to try to make it a required alternative.

i would rather see "bandeau" style bikini tops than triangles because they look like breast binding [wrapping a long length of fabric round and round the torso to mush the boobs down and flat].  small straps or halter to make sure it stays up would be recommended.
when you buy modern clothes to use as garb, think of details like that.

and before anyone complains that women with large breasts would be uncomfortable in a bandeau top, they're probably not the ones wearing bikini tops to begin with.
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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #55 on: March 30, 2012, 01:05:31 pm »
Leggings are undergarments.
They should be under something, and not just a jingly hip scarf.
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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #56 on: March 31, 2012, 11:12:08 pm »
Leggings are undergarments.
They should be under something, and not just a jingly hip scarf.

Stop ruining one of the few joys I have left for this years Rag ladies. (looking at Scheiny and Stell... but also totally kidding)
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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #57 on: April 01, 2012, 02:25:04 am »
I ****ing hate that plaid pajama pants and woad is acceptable in all foam fighting games as... Scottish?  Wtf is that?
Especially because by that point the Scottish weren't following the 'old' Celtic ways anymore. Woad was used on the face and layered clothes were the norm...
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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #58 on: April 01, 2012, 12:13:22 pm »
Leggings are undergarments.
They should be under something, and not just a jingly hip scarf.

Stop ruining one of the few joys I have left for this years Rag ladies. (looking at Scheiny and Stell... but also totally kidding)

If you want, i'll wear my skin tight under armor pants in your camp, they make your package look fantastic.
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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #59 on: April 01, 2012, 02:23:36 pm »
I think that is a fabulous idea. Do that, Askarus.
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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #60 on: April 01, 2012, 03:33:06 pm »
I think that is a fabulous idea. Do that, Askarus.

Seconded.
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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #61 on: April 01, 2012, 04:09:51 pm »
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got a problem with dairy maids on the field?  pretend you just attacked her farm and she, along with her brothers, father, and uncles, picked up a pitchfork, scythe, or the nearest weapon [maybe she has her dead brother's sword that she took from his hand after you gutted him while she watched from the window] to fight for her life.
get over it.

I, for one, would love to see a whole battalion of dairy maids, seamstresses and other peasant women on the battlefield defending home and hearth!

Other women units I would love to see:

Rhine Shield Maidens, Valkyries, and Succubi


P.S. I would also like to see a unit consisting of Charisma Carpenter, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Milla Jovovich, Kate Beckinsale and every other starlet who has ever picked up a sword!!!

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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #62 on: April 01, 2012, 04:58:58 pm »
Ghost, you have made me super-motivated to finish the outfit I'm making. It isn't going to be exactly like in the picture, but it is from the same pattern.
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« Reply #63 on: April 01, 2012, 10:16:25 pm »
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Ghost, you have made me super-motivated to finish the outfit I'm making.

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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #64 on: April 04, 2012, 01:41:45 am »
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got a problem with dairy maids on the field?  pretend you just attacked her farm and she, along with her brothers, father, and uncles, picked up a pitchfork, scythe, or the nearest weapon [maybe she has her dead brother's sword that she took from his hand after you gutted him while she watched from the window] to fight for her life.
get over it.
This describes almost exactly a scene from my girlfriend's back story.  Just felt a need to mention that.

I have zero gripe with garb gates.  I have nice garb and I have nothing to worry about.  I don't have pity for people who will have trouble, either.  The cost of getting decent garb is minuscule compared to the cost of attending Ragnarok.
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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #65 on: April 04, 2012, 06:33:56 am »

This describes almost exactly a scene from my girlfriend's back story.  Just felt a need to mention that.

I have zero gripe with garb gates.  I have nice garb and I have nothing to worry about.  I don't have pity for people who will have trouble, either.  The cost of getting decent garb is minuscule compared to the cost of attending Ragnarok.

Agreed. It is also a great thing to mention this a few months ahead of time, for most people there will be no excuse then.
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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #66 on: April 11, 2012, 07:28:58 am »
Thrud..is there a "battle of the sexes" at Rag? Meaning a 'boy versus girl' battle?
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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #67 on: April 11, 2012, 07:38:40 am »
Thrud hasn't been to a Ragnarok yet, but to answer your question there has not to my knowledge been a "girls vs. boys" battle. We ladies are badass, but even we can't win against those numbers. Ragnarok is still pretty much a sausage fest.
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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #68 on: April 11, 2012, 12:36:53 pm »
tsk..tsk. That is too bad. Maybe put the ladies on top of a hill behind barricades??
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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #69 on: April 11, 2012, 12:40:41 pm »
How about next to our brothers in the thick of things where we belong?
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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #70 on: April 11, 2012, 12:42:10 pm »
Yeah, no boys vs. girls battle . . . no one wants to listen to the boys from certain units whine when their best fighters get put on the opposing team.
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« Reply #71 on: April 11, 2012, 02:33:39 pm »
What about Boys vs People-Who-Fight-Like-- you know, I'm not going to finish that.
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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #72 on: April 11, 2012, 03:39:19 pm »
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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #73 on: April 11, 2012, 04:06:45 pm »
He means boys vs. people who fight like girls...
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« Reply #74 on: April 11, 2012, 05:01:41 pm »
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How about next to our brothers in the thick of things where we belong?

I thought all brothers and sisters fought anyway!  :D
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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #75 on: April 11, 2012, 07:32:17 pm »
He means boys vs. people who fight like girls...

wouldn't that literally mean ANY FEMALE FIGHTER?
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Re: Rag 27 Garb Gates Discussion
« Reply #76 on: April 11, 2012, 10:50:52 pm »
What about Boys vs People-Who-Fight-Like-- you know, I'm not going to finish that.

I thought he meant people-who-fight-like-men.
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