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Garbing the female fighter
« on: June 29, 2012, 01:33:15 pm »
This is an area that gets little attention. We are used to women fighters simply putting on mens clothes to fight in, or simply stripping down to a Bra and some sort of bottom. Other options have been to convert formal-wear, or dance costumes that simply don't do the job for the serious fighter. As a vendor I'll admit that the discussion before Rag about trying to fill this market would not be cost effective as the percentages don't work out in a beneficial way to a vendor.

The hurdle we have to overcome is manyfold, historically, women were not fighters, Hollywood has decided that the bikini is indeed period for women from the Jurassic to eons into space travel, and more and more fighters are crusading to make the whole sport look more legitimate.

To that end lets discuss what works for our current fighters, what they would like to have, and what would we consider unobtrusive.

In short, lets determine what we love, what we hate, and what we can live with.
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2012, 01:39:38 pm »
I will go steal a bunch of pix from the internet...  gimme 5 min.

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Re: Garbing the female fighter
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2012, 02:21:56 pm »
thrush about half the pictures you just posted would have failed at rag this year. Most for a modern shirt poking out somewhere.
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2012, 02:24:29 pm »
Weird, I thought I picked ones that were mostly neutral, loose fitting under garments of in-determinant era...  My bad.  I must not know good garb when I see it.  Shame on me.  I mean, sunglasses look like ****...  but we all knew that, and they are safety equipment now... so.

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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2012, 02:28:04 pm »
Only a couple have modern shirts poking out, most notably the one of Forkbeard and Lylith (who did not wear the underarmor visibly at Rag this year.) But, shirt collars showing are apparently no longer an issue for you, Varadin. You got your exception, so I think you can quit bitching about it now.
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2012, 02:31:10 pm »
Maybe I'm just a cretin, but I don't see why female fighters can't just wear what make fighters do, but with a bra on underneath...
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2012, 02:33:46 pm »
Maybe I'm just a cretin, but I don't see why female fighters can't just wear what make fighters do, but with a bra on underneath...

Other than chest armor, they can.

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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2012, 02:42:20 pm »
Only a couple have modern shirts poking out, most notably the one of Forkbeard and Lylith (who did not wear the underarmor visibly at Rag this year.) But, shirt collars showing are apparently no longer an issue for you, Varadin. You got your exception, so I think you can quit bitching about it now.

Actually what im making sure is that for next year people don't think they have passing stuff and get suprised at garb gates. So posting images that could even slightly be looked at like they have failing garb is a bad idea.

Just tying to help you guys make it easier next year, Maybe if you didnt jump down the throat of people youd have a little less argueing at garb gates.
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2012, 02:45:30 pm »

This is what I wear.  Granted you can see my sports bra (which is a necessary part of any woman's garb -some more than others) but that is the only modern thing about my garb.  Everything else is period (no zippers or modern things) and I added on to it with tailcoats and a belt I made myself (not armor).  Granted most women arent goblins so this wouldnt work for them but it works for me and I got it all at the thrift store.  I understand that some women want fancier garb but its really not that hard to buy something from the thrift store and transform it..

*Note: Disregard the face I was making, I was trying to be ferocious and failing lol. ;D  Also disregard the safety pin on my pant leg, my pant leg had ripped and I was trying to keep it on for the day.  It has since been resewn.
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2012, 02:54:23 pm »
Actually, there was hardly any arguing at garb gates at all. It went very smoothly, most people responded very well to requests to correct their garb. They followed the rules, instead of trying to get special treatment. Other than the underarmor, there is a spaghetti strap, and 2 dudes in T-shirts. Everyone else looks just fine.
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2012, 02:57:26 pm »
Thongs.  ;D Visible ones....
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2012, 03:30:57 pm »
I'm sure Thrush had just a terrible time looking through pictures for women.

And the gist of his post to me is - If YOU can fight in a skirt, do it. If you rather fight in pants, do that. Female fighter garb is just garb - that she fights in.
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2012, 03:44:29 pm »
16 out of the 20 pictures you posted are of women wearing some kind of armor.

do 75% of Dag fighters wear armor?  i thought it's less than that.
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2012, 03:45:35 pm »
... I fight in a skirt... I didn't realize there was an issue with fighting in a skirt. I do it because it helps prevent swamp nuts though which women don't have to worry about.
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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2012, 03:47:39 pm »
Please Read "Chicks" and "Women" (PC Orc is PC)
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2012, 03:50:54 pm »

Shiiva, that much of your sportsbra showing under your arm would pass Garb Check with no problem.  before BadAss Garb designed full-backed modified choli tops, we were going to pass garb that disguised a sportsbra from the front, even if it exposed the T in the back.

if you want to spruce that look up, though, close the armhole of your vest with some extra fabric or even throw some trim along the edges of your sportsbra.
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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2012, 03:58:52 pm »
before BadAss Garb designed full-backed modified choli tops, we were going to pass garb that disguised a sportsbra from the front, even if it exposed the T in the back.

careful on your wording there, you make it sound as though because a certain vendor offers an option all other options are no longer passing. and that better never be the case.
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2012, 04:04:01 pm »
because there now is a better option we don't need to accept the subpar option.  folks are welcome to design and make their own full-back sportsbra covering garb.
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2012, 04:31:37 pm »
Not the best image of my fighting gear, but considering that I only took the field one day this past Rag, I should feel lucky that there's even this image.


What you can't see in this picture is that the white "tank top" looking thing is actually an underdress that I wear under my armor/corset (and I do plan on dying it a darker color to get away from the OMG WHITE).  Under that, I generally wear some sort of pants (that day it was poofy pants that gathered at the knee).  Over all that, I usually wear my tabbard (I had given up on it at this point for some reason).  My sunglasses are really the only obviously modern thing I'm seen wearing in the picture.

If I'm not wearing my armor when I fight, I pretty much wear whatever garb I threw on, as long as it's not some of my nicer stuff.  Half chemises are really great and super easy to make (think basic t-tunic pattern, crop it to about your natural waistline, and put a drawstring/elastic in in the bottom hem).  Cholis and ghawazee coats are nice, too (and honestly, I don't give a rat's ass if they aren't historically accurate, they look more appropriate than half the stuff women wear out there now).
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2012, 04:44:01 pm »

Shiiva, that much of your sportsbra showing under your arm would pass Garb Check with no problem.  before BadAss Garb designed full-backed modified choli tops, we were going to pass garb that disguised a sportsbra from the front, even if it exposed the T in the back.

if you want to spruce that look up, though, close the armhole of your vest with some extra fabric or even throw some trim along the edges of your sportsbra.

cool thanks for the input! :)
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2012, 04:58:28 pm »
after this summer/heavy campout season we might ask people to cover up things like that [i don't want to say "X will pass next Rag." without Rap's input] but if every chick put in that kind of effort to wear garb instead of just wearing a tank top, i think we'd be a really good looking game.  to me, particularly, it blends with your kit, and i think your kit is good.
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2012, 05:04:24 pm »
Ultimately I would like to have an armor chest piece as well, but for right now I just have a leather helm and a leather shoulder pauldrin.  But for garb I figure that non of it really shows and it blends like you said so it works. 
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« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2012, 06:12:40 pm »
Heh.  So many sexy Meridian women. 
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2012, 06:30:37 pm »
Oh hey look.

This is what I've been fighting in for the past year.
I started with wide-skirted dresses, and have never deviated from that. I realized right from the start that I could wear a tunic and pants, same as any other fighter out there, but I wanted to stand out as a woman on the field. Come to find out, swoopy skirts make for fun times fighting, and make for really cool pictures sometimes.
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« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2012, 09:41:34 pm »
I've never actually tried posting a picture in these forums before...

As you can tell, I care more about protection from the sun and using natural fibers rather than looking like some goddess from a fantasy novel... ;)

This is the first year that I did Rus pants (thank you, seamstress, who may not want to be named) and I'm loving them.  Here's to making my outfit more Rus in the future.

There is some historical evidence that women fought during the crusades...
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2012, 10:15:52 pm »
In answer to the original question, I think most (never say all) women fighters or not, want garb that still makes them look/feel like a woman (to whatever degree feminine).

With that said, regular tunics would still be just fine, but more taper in the waist with a flare out over the hips.  Thus making a more "girlish" figure.  Women don't want to feel like they are wearing a "potato sack" and unfortunately a "regular" men's tunic feels that way. 

I prefer pants to fight in and typically wear a "hobbit" type pant vs. skirt.  I find that skirts tend to get in my way and since I'm only a mediocre fighter it makes me distracted when I get knocked on my ass that....well, my ass is showing.
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« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2012, 02:59:40 am »
@Gwenaelle Do you mean a knee length tunic with a thinner waist?  In my head, that seems to fit the description you made.
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« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2012, 07:45:26 am »
Most of the tunics people are making these days have a good flare to them. Add a couple rows of grommets or drapery rings to the back at torso level, throw some lacings in, and cinch that puppy up for more shape!
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2012, 01:09:20 pm »
I love being fully covered while fighting, it's better protection from the Angry Daystar that hurts my tender ginger flesh so, and ultimately is cooler.

I'm with Stell (mostly cause she inspired my garb) in that I've only ever really fought in full skirts. Here's my skirts looking badass while fighting :D



In general I just wish people would realize being fully covered by natural fabrics is comfortable AND flattering to the female figure. If you want something form fitting just do what Stell said; add some grommets and cinch dat tunic. Or a sash, or a nice wide kidney belt! The possibilities are endless
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2012, 01:21:14 pm »
Nova - you running in skirts always looks pretty awesome. I dunno what you do different but they all flap about you like crazy.
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« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2012, 01:33:08 pm »
It's cause my limbs are flying about underneath dem skirts. If I wore pants everyone would see the awkwardness ;) That being said I'm going to make some pants and give them a try for fighting!
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« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2012, 01:51:27 pm »
You probably are right on that, but it gives a wonderful effect
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2012, 02:48:16 pm »
Most of the tunics people are making these days have a good flare to them. Add a couple rows of grommets or drapery rings to the back at torso level, throw some lacings in, and cinch that puppy up for more shape!
This is an excellent idea and we are going to do some experimenting with this idea. Damn you Stell, get out of our heads, your mothers training is showing again in both of you, tuck that back in.
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2012, 03:06:19 pm »
before BadAss Garb designed full-backed modified choli tops, we were going to pass garb that disguised a sportsbra from the front, even if it exposed the T in the back.

careful on your wording there, you make it sound as though because a certain vendor offers an option all other options are no longer passing. and that better never be the case.
True, sometimes customers get a little exited about the fact that we try to fill needs before they arise. If you are looking for a shameless plug, this is what to look for:

BadAss Garb is feverishly working in the R&D department to solve the exposed bra issue. We hope to have a plethora of options for the female fighter to restrain their girls without putting on a Tunic, some will simply be covers for bras with the aim of simply covering them with a dark age flair to satiate the garb gates and participants delicate medieval experience. While the Tunic is preferable, we do understand that some fighters have varying tastes, and will not be satisfied with a one size fits all solution. One idea shows promise so look to our FB page and website for a prototype soon. We will draw on historical documents and materials to try to accurately satiate what a dark age fighter chick would wear if she were not regaled to the kitchen, fields, or used as arm candy for the wealthy. In short.... we got this!!
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2012, 03:16:26 pm »
A linen shemagh of suitable size (46"-48" square) might cover the shoulders enough to cover any errant bra straps sticking out. I know it should cover the shoulder portion of a sports bra.

Head coverings! They can cover the shoulders too and keep the sun outta your face!
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2012, 03:57:33 pm »
A surcoat rather than a tabard (you know, a tabard joined together somehow on the sides?) would cover a sportsbra no problem, without it flapping about.
Close the sides with laces, and you can get it nice and fitted, too.

Or a Robin Hood-style jerkin? Long vest thingy that laces up the sides and front? All sorts of ways to lace that puppy up to emphasize the girls. Looks good over other garb items, too.
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2012, 12:35:17 am »
Fyxe before the Garbstapo processed her.




After




For reference, this is one of those surcoats Stell is talking about. Tell me that isn't sexier than a tank top?
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2012, 02:09:49 am »
Most of the tunics people are making these days have a good flare to them. Add a couple rows of grommets or drapery rings to the back at torso level, throw some lacings in, and cinch that puppy up for more shape!
Should that be taken as a hint for your "make a lady in a tunic look good" contest?
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2012, 06:36:53 am »
That would be one option.
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2012, 11:05:02 pm »
Oh hey look.

This is what I've been fighting in for the past year.
I started with wide-skirted dresses, and have never deviated from that. I realized right from the start that I could wear a tunic and pants, same as any other fighter out there, but I wanted to stand out as a woman on the field. Come to find out, swoopy skirts make for fun times fighting, and make for really cool pictures sometimes.

Now I can finally put a face to name and the arrows to the fame. I love shooting your arrows. In the LOTR battles I was overjoyed to find your arrows on the ground.
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #41 on: July 04, 2012, 07:20:02 pm »
Thank you, that's nice to hear.
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2012, 07:31:38 pm »
Awww, you look so happy in that pic _____!

-Edit: Okay mom...-
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2012, 08:45:20 pm »
You, young man, can go edit my name to its proper permutation right this instant. You are neither my mother, Jari, or Adrius.
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #44 on: July 06, 2012, 07:45:10 pm »
This:


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« Reply #45 on: July 06, 2012, 07:50:59 pm »
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #46 on: July 06, 2012, 09:20:11 pm »

After



For reference, this is one of those surcoats Stell is talking about. Tell me that isn't sexier than a tank top?

Yes...but she looks more pissed off now!
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #47 on: July 06, 2012, 11:20:05 pm »
No, no, that's Fyxe. That's her natural expression.
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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #48 on: July 07, 2012, 05:17:32 am »
sports bras aren't bad when i wear skirts you can see my compression shorts when im running.
big deal.

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Re: Garbing the female fighter
« Reply #49 on: July 07, 2012, 07:51:39 am »
But they are covered otherwise. What's your point?
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