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Bar stock counterweights. Round and rectangle.
« on: July 09, 2012, 06:30:12 pm »
I've made a few really well balanced blues on 1/2" fiberglass cores by building a box of rectangular barstock around a handle core, but recently got my hands on some 1/4" round ones. 9 of them can stack side by side and perfectly encase the core. Or 3 on the blade sides to make a more oval handle. Instead of playtesting and risking it explode on the first swing, thought I would ask here on people's experiences with rectangular and round barstock counterweights.


If it helps, it's a progressive resistance blue/green, 38" total length.
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Re: Bar stock counterweights. Round and rectangle.
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2012, 07:26:04 pm »
Cut them into shorter sections, to avoid creating a stress point on the sword.
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Re: Bar stock counterweights. Round and rectangle.
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2012, 07:45:27 pm »
Cut them into shorter sections, to avoid creating a stress point on the sword.
You can also use two cores for your swords.  You won't need much counterweigting at all then.  What counter weight you use can be placed on the side of the handle so that you don't have stress points in the direction of your swing.
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Re: Bar stock counterweights. Round and rectangle.
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2012, 09:54:15 pm »
Cut them into shorter sections, to avoid creating a stress point on the sword.
You can also use two cores for your swords.  You won't need much counterweigting at all then.  What counter weight you use can be placed on the side of the handle so that you don't have stress points in the direction of your swing.

Two cores is an extra point of failure, worse weighting, heavier, more nasty glues, etc.  I could go on for hours about why double coring is a horrible idea, but I'll leave it short.



OP: I love to do my counterweights (on .524 kitespar prog-build swords, most recently) out of two-and-a-half to three-inch-long pieces (for the reason Magnus stated: avoiding stress concentrations by way of changin the flexural modulus of the core too much all at once) of ~1/4" round steel barstock.  I do two-wide up each blade edge, producing a lovely roughly rectangular cross-section handle area.  Leave about 3/16" between the ends of the 3" bars to give them room to flex without touching and I recommend attaching them to the core with a layer of double-sided carpet tape, to add a little extra flexural padding between the steel and the core.  A layer of hockey tape under the carpet tape doesn't hurt, either.  Once the stock is on, just add a few bands of hockey tape to secure it, then another layer of carpet tape and wind twine, 2mm macrame cord, or other small rope around the handle, for a little softness over the steel and a good texture.  I typically finish with a final layer of hockey tape over that, myself.

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Re: Bar stock counterweights. Round and rectangle.
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2012, 02:42:31 pm »
Cut them into shorter sections, to avoid creating a stress point on the sword.
You can also use two cores for your swords.  You won't need much counterweigting at all then.  What counter weight you use can be placed on the side of the handle so that you don't have stress points in the direction of your swing.



Two cores is an extra point of failure, worse weighting, heavier, more nasty glues, etc.  I could go on for hours about why double coring is a horrible idea, but I'll leave it short.



OP: I love to do my counterweights (on .524 kitespar prog-build swords, most recently) out of two-and-a-half to three-inch-long pieces (for the reason Magnus stated: avoiding stress concentrations by way of changin the flexural modulus of the core too much all at once) of ~1/4" round steel barstock.  I do two-wide up each blade edge, producing a lovely roughly rectangular cross-section handle area.  Leave about 3/16" between the ends of the 3" bars to give them room to flex without touching and I recommend attaching them to the core with a layer of double-sided carpet tape, to add a little extra flexural padding between the steel and the core.  A layer of hockey tape under the carpet tape doesn't hurt, either.  Once the stock is on, just add a few bands of hockey tape to secure it, then another layer of carpet tape and wind twine, 2mm macrame cord, or other small rope around the handle, for a little softness over the steel and a good texture.  I typically finish with a final layer of hockey tape over that, myself.

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Re: Bar stock counterweights. Round and rectangle.
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2012, 09:28:33 pm »
I just throw a 3/8 x 6" hex bolt in the bottom of my swords, wrap a layer or two of duct tape around the bolt in two or three spots to stop rattling. Then I use leather strips and wrap it with rope for my oblong handles.
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Re: Bar stock counterweights. Round and rectangle.
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2012, 03:29:18 pm »
I just throw a 3/8 x 6" hex bolt in the bottom of my swords, wrap a layer or two of duct tape around the bolt in two or three spots to stop rattling. Then I use leather strips and wrap it with rope for my oblong handles.

We're working with fiberglass, not PVC.
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Re: Bar stock counterweights. Round and rectangle.
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2012, 06:02:44 pm »
Bran's swords are definitely not made with PVC, brah.
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Re: Bar stock counterweights. Round and rectangle.
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2012, 06:33:06 pm »
It still doesn't work with fiberglass, even if he's using kitespar.
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Re: Bar stock counterweights. Round and rectangle.
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2012, 04:40:59 am »
He uses .524 Kitespar...

Bran do you have any pics you can throw up here of it?
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Re: Bar stock counterweights. Round and rectangle.
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2012, 09:11:43 am »
It still doesn't work with fiberglass, even if he's using kitespar.

How do you figure a bolt in the end of kitespar doesnt work?
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Re: Bar stock counterweights. Round and rectangle.
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2012, 10:16:00 am »
It still doesn't work with fiberglass, even if he's using kitespar.

How do you figure a bolt in the end of kitespar doesnt work?

It doesn't work with solid fiberglass, is what he's saying.
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Re: Bar stock counterweights. Round and rectangle.
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2012, 11:13:35 am »
It still doesn't work with fiberglass, even if he's using kitespar.

How do you figure a bolt in the end of kitespar doesnt work?

It doesn't work with solid fiberglass, is what he's saying.

Maybe you can understand my confusion.
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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2012, 12:48:07 pm »
I do what Bran does too.  Take .524 kitespar and shove a 3/8 x 6" hex bolt up its butt, with duct tape down the entire bolt so it fits in the hollow core snuggly without rattle.
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2012, 12:57:21 pm »
I also make all my swords out of square fiberglass and use round metal dowell as counter weights in the pomell. Works just great so far. Done just right it puts the balance point of the sword about 2" above the blade with an 8" handle. Use strap tape on the weight though.
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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2012, 01:37:32 pm »
I do what Bran does too.  Take .524 kitespar and shove a 3/8 x 6" hex bolt up its butt, with duct tape down the entire bolt so it fits in the hollow core snuggly without rattle.

Don't make it fit too snugly.  Rattle (if you prevent the bolt from having sharp corners by wrapping it in one layer of thin tape) is better than a snug fit, which will increase the stress on the handle section of the kitespar by changing its flex characteristics.

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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2012, 01:25:59 am »
That's why I have been using hot glue up the ass of my .524 kite-spar with 3/8bolt for years. Hot glue flexes with the core but keeps the bolt padded and in place.

1-1.5 sticks of high melt hot glue up its ass with the bolt twisted in usually does the trick - put a nut on it so it doesn't slip all the way in.

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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2012, 01:33:23 pm »
That's why I have been using hot glue up the ass of my .524 kite-spar with 3/8bolt for years. Hot glue flexes with the core but keeps the bolt padded and in place.

1-1.5 sticks of high melt hot glue up its ass with the bolt twisted in usually does the trick - put a nut on it so it doesn't slip all the way in.

......Was that hot enough for you?

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« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2012, 02:20:30 pm »
Totally just took my obsessive love of foam-smithing to a whole new (and different) level.
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Re: Bar stock counterweights. Round and rectangle.
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2012, 02:55:02 pm »
That's why I have been using hot glue up the ass of my .524 kite-spar with 3/8bolt for years. Hot glue flexes with the core but keeps the bolt padded and in place.

1-1.5 sticks of high melt hot glue up its ass with the bolt twisted in usually does the trick - put a nut on it so it doesn't slip all the way in.

......Was that hot enough for you?

I guess it was still...



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