Yeah, I'm I'm just starting to fight with them, and I'm at the very least comfortable fighting when it comes to Dag. Last Dag practice I learned that most of the snaps and wards they taught don't work very well in Dag. I was able to put their "post block" ward to good use, tough--maybe that's only because I was fighting newer players last Friday, though.
I'll do some experimenting with my body mechanics and try to get some close supervision on my technique with bot Dag and SCA weaponry. It's very possible that my body mechanics are the issue, and it's also very possible that I've just built up habits that interfere with me trying to properly utilize my body when 'actually' fighting.
I like the suggestion of doing pell work with old Dag swords. Thanks, Arrakis.
Roughly where do you like for your weapons to balance?
This is a simple Image I whipped up. Past the red line is illegal, and the brown line is roughly where the fulcrum of the torque shots I was talking about is. Feel free to download this image and draw a line where you believe the ideal point of balance on a sword is.Individual replies:
Have you tried any of these "torque" techniques with heavier weapons? How different are the techniques you're being taught from the way you usually fight?
I haven't. I'll try (*slowly*) throwing some of the shots with my min-red; I can competently fight slower, newer players with it in one hand so I think I can safely try throwing SCA shots with it.
The techniques are pretty different. I mean, I knew the basic wrap they taught me (which they call the thumb-lead), but I never really had thought to differentiate the shots I throw by nomenclature. For example, these guys have three different types of shots based on the point the attack pivots at (Weapon, Wrist, Body). I do think my fighting game will benefit from SCA practice no matter what, because prior to this, I didn't do pell--my coordination and accuracy will benefit regardless of whether or not specific techniques transfer.
It depends on your goal. If your objective is to be the best Dag fighter on the field, your crossgame technique will not serve you particularly well. If you don’t care about that, do what feels right to you.
At this point, I'm feeling it out. To be honest, swinging heavier stuff around feels more real. In the end, I'll probably go with what's most effective, but I will also probably end up taking something from this training even if I abandon it as a discipline.
First, the shot calibration is too low down there. Start calling light on limb wristed bull****.
I don't know, man. I'm not saying I'M DA STRONGEST or anything, but people called my shots when I was at Ides of March, and I've definitely gotten stronger (and better) since then.
When I try to use some of the SCA shots, I also find that there's just not enough weight to my weapon for the shot to work. There's a series of "torque" shots I've been taught which put the fulcrum of the shot on the weapon itsself, and there is definitely not enough mass to my 12oz weapon to score sufficient force.
You are doing it wrong. My guess is on your follow through, Most likely the heavy weight of your Sca stick is carrying a shot through. You aren't swinging through it the shot you are just letting the weapon carry itself. In otherwords... you are doing it wrong and it will travel slower because of it.
Good hip motion into a shot will make it travel faster and harder, but it is a hard thing to learn after just arming shots for a while.
I believe your assessment here, and I'll try to pay close attention to correcting my poor habits if they exist and are hampering me.
Heavier weapons will serve you well...
While lighter gear fighters can rely on muscle memory and lightning responses to shots at contact, the heavier gear fighter must play a more chess-like mental game to be effective. Waiting until contact is made to decide on the counter, results in an inability to overcome their opponents speed advantage, the heavy user has to see the shot coming and already be countering long before contact is made. In a nutshell, the heavy fighter has to be thinking one move ahead of his opponent or he will rarely be able to best a good light gear speed fighter.
This is kind of what I was thinking. If I can learn to "keep up" with heavier gear, then ultimately decide to be an ultralight stickjock, I'll have done nothing but benefited from learning to fight with "the heavy disadvantage."
Is it possible that the balance on your lighter swords is different than the SCA sticks they were using to teach you shots?
A properly balanced heavy sword can keep up with most Dag fighters. And a poorly balanced 12oz sword can be hard to use. Proper balance in this case means being balanced in a way that allows the weapon to be swung hard and fast with minimal effort.
That is a strong possibility, Alric. And it's one I'm going to investigate next time I'm swinging their sticks around. My 12oz swords are essentially 'perfectly' balanced at the lowest possible point. It was a coincidence, not my intention. I've just used them that way since that's the way they came out. (See the image I posted, if you're feeling particularly helpful.)
And I'm afraid I don't have time to watch those videos, as long as they are. I also wasn't hearing any sound when I tried to watch them.
Garkoth, next time I see you at an event, please ask me for some pointers. I'd be happy to explain/demonstrate this area to you.
Thanks, Magnus. I saw you at Ides this year, but you were always busy giving someone pointers when you were off of the battlefield. I didn't want to interrupt. XD
And, Arrakis, I'll take all of your suggestions to my SCA friends. It might seem silly to brag on them, but I'm confident they are among the best SCA fighters. People are getting upset with the knight (who is always hosting for me) I'm working with for winning too many tournaments--and he fights florentine. He and his squire are certainly the best fighters I personally
know and can vouch for.