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Enderonimus

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« on: February 12, 2008, 10:50:00 pm »
Hey, guys! Sorry been out for a spell. Real life and all, but I'm getting everything together and will hopefully be fully back on track here real soon!
ok, everybody, here's the latest we have, some basic foam mockup patterns for some helm ideas which seem to have some expressed
interest. Animal theme helms/ facemasks.
These helms are designed to be based off a basic roman style base helm. The face on the helm will be completely adjustable, through attachment by button snaps and not rivets, allowing it to be fixed in front, to be hinged on one snap, or attached above the helm like a headdress, or worn seperately with straps as a mask.
I have 3 basic designs done so far. It was a real challenge to bring these animals out into 3D patterns, but with these basic 3, many specific possibilities are open. IE: differed species, colors or dramatizations of characteristics. Like I said, it was a real challenge, went through about a dozen pieces of full sized poster board on pattern development until I found something I liked. But, as in all armor, they too will go through constant revisions and evolutions.
First, is the wolf breed. This one I finished last, as it was easy once I had develouped the others, to adjust them to change species and specify the wolf.I think this one turned out my favorite.
Wolf face helm, with fixed face and hinged face foam pattern mockup:
 

Here is the wolf headdress style, with my nephew modeling to get a good visual depth determination:
 

This is the bear helm. turned out to be the most difficult, as bears seem to have a very dynamic face which changes from picture to picture, but I settled on a docile, "stuffed trophy" look, with a calm expression, but this can easily be adjusted to have a snarl or more fierce demeanor. I also wanted the bear to be the largest of the faces, as I've always felt they were creatures of size and power, not speed and fiercness like the wolf.
 

And the bear as a headdress:
 

This is the lion or warcat face. It was difficult as lions also vary in photos, and demeanors. I tried to design a mane for this style, but it was proving too time-consuming and counterproductive and had to move on, but I may return to this and design a full mane in the future, but for now it will serve as a lioness or tiger, similar maneless hunting cats. I feel this face particularely may need some adjusting to really make it stand out as a lion, but for now, I am satisfied with how it turned out, but can definetly see room for adjustment for this style.
Lion helm with pivot face foam mockup pattern:
 

And the lion as a headdress:
 

Here is the base helm pattern, for refference:
 

And finally, here are all 3 masks together:
 

Well, I had fun designing these patterns, they were a real learning experience to say the least. I'm planned to build a wolf style here soon for a commission, after we specify any pattern changes or colors necessary. All criticisms or suggestions are more than welcome. Thanks as always everyone for all the encouragement and support over this past year! I hope to have more to come and hopefully fully launch "Aventine Armories" within the year!
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2008, 11:16:00 pm »
Oh wow, those are REALLY cool. I especially like the wolf one--it's spot on.

I prefer the look of the masks to the headdresses, I think.

The lion one is the only one that doesn't look truly catlike to me--the nose is great, but I think it could be mistaken for a wolf otherwise.

I dig the base helmet itself, too...how much do those run? =P
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2008, 11:23:00 pm »
Ender,

These are really good.  Obviously, the wolf one would be my favorite.

Looking at the wolf, I had a few questions.  Would it be possible to give him some slightly more "ruff" around the sides?  Not as much as say the Bear, but Wolves have a lot more facial hair on the sides.

My second question, had to do with the top of the head.  I noticed on all three that it comes to a straight cut along the top.  Is it possible to give that a slightly more "furred" look.

I love what the wolf looks like when it is raised up as a visor, looks like he is howling.

Last, I was curious about the possibility of ears on the sides of the wolf.  Without getting in trouble for the Points, It would be cool if the ears showed on the sides.

I love the total look, and want to start talking commission very soon.  You do great work and are a true artist.
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2008, 12:56:00 am »
would it be possible to add fur to them? They kind of seem to be in this weird go between of comic like and realistic looking. I think fur,ears, and a little more gruff would knock them over to the realistic side.


Other than that Awesome job (after making two helmets I finally realize just how much work it is   )
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2008, 01:12:00 am »
How much would the 2nd down cost? I am thinking about buying a helm, and those are just splendid! plus they fit my personal!
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2008, 01:13:00 am »
This is really great work, ender.  *applause*
But I agree with Serraphym:
 
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The lion one is the only one that doesn't look truly catlike to me--the nose is great, but I think it could be mistaken for a wolf otherwise.



I think perhaps if you made the transition between the forehead and the snout less angular and more sloped, the snout itself a wee bit shorter, and the nose a bit flatter, it would look more catlike.  Just a thought.
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2008, 01:47:00 am »
I applaud your work, and it is truly amazing. Can't wait to see it on the field!

Although I'll admit, the first thing that came to mind was, "Druids and Furries, oh my..."  
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2008, 03:30:00 am »
armoured furries!!! AHHHH!!!!
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2008, 04:04:00 am »
Armored furries? Sir Tobias? What?

Well done as always, Ender. Looks like you beat me to the wolf face mask, but I have a different image in my head. I'll have to show you at Rag '10.  
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2008, 11:44:00 am »
I love it, as always Ender. You'll have to email me, lemme know of the greaves still.  

PS: So who gets the sippy cup in the end?  

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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2008, 04:47:00 pm »
GIMME GIMME GIMME !!!!!! WANT WANT WANT!!!!  those are absolutely awesome dude love the first one.
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2008, 01:23:00 am »
Thanks everybody! Yeh this was a very interesting task to say the least. Its one thing to build a helm with a faceplate/nasals &  cheekplates, its another to try and bring a non-human face to life in a 3D environment. But, it was a good learning experience for me in pattern making and design.
Serraphym-
Thanks! Yeh I like the wolf especially myself and was really pleased with how it turned out. And I also myself would probably prefer the headdress style, but I wanted to make sure there was the option for the wearer to choose from whichever he liked and back, even to the point of not wearing the mask at all and just wearing the base helm. And I agree about the lion style. It was by far the most difficult. I think if I make the face a little fuller and rounder, it will stand apart as a cat. As far as price goes, I'll close at the end of this post with that. Thanks again!
Lykos-
Thanks, bud, I knew you would be prone to the wolf style. As far as specifying any characteristics, anything at all is really possible. These are all very basic patterns, so any trimming or adding can easily be done. Hell, I could even add some braided chenille lace, like the type I used in the Samurai helm goatie, to add a real hairy look. And the same is for the upper edge of the facemask, any pattern particular is possible. As far as ears go, I purposefully didn't use ears on any of these helms. Not that they would not be possible, I just wanted to really express that these are human helms, with an animal mask or visage, as in a trophy from a hunt, ie: animal skin. But I could easily design some ears to lay on the helm. No problem. Thanks again, and let me know when you're ready to start talking commmission, I'm already pretty booked here for a while, I'm building a wolf helm for someone that I'll post one the boards, so you can see what the end product will look like. Thanks again!
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Yeh, I'm sure fur would not be a problem. I'm sure as I work with them they will evolve along a more gruff line, but these are the basic first steps of this line. Thanks! Yeh helms are definetly a field of their own, and can be tricky! Good luck on your projects, they are coming along nicely!
Mogcat-
Thanks guy! I'll close here with the rough price here.
Eilyd Febana-
Yeh I agree that the lion may need some tweaking, and I think you nailed the specific: softer curves and more plumper face. I'll work on refining that design once I get back around to them Thanks!
Bahli, Ryker-
Thanks! I'm sure they will definetly turn an eye and spark many a conversation around that after battle bonfire once these helms make the field. "Hey, who wa that guy with the wolf helm on? I've never seen anything like that before!" And, yeh, I definelty wanted to avoid the whole, "Furrie" connantation. That is why I didn't use ears on the helms. They are masks of a more tribal, barbaric warrior who wishes to frighten his opponent with the ferocious wolf, or channel his spirit through combat, not say, "Oh, wow, look how cute that guy is in the wolf helm!"
Sirilay-
Thanks. I'll have to see that design of yours, I love to see all types of armor. It's my obsession! And I hope beyond hope to make it to Rag this summer! (fingers crossed) Thanks again!
Rhia-
Thanks! I think you're my #1 fan!   And, yeh, greaves are all done, strapped, polished, ready to be shipped. I just need to photo them and post them on the boards. I'm real pleased with how they turned out. Look real big and oppresive, as I'm hoping we can keep that image going with his rig! I'm off work tomorrow, so I'll post them here on the boards and ge them ready. And the sippy cup? That's my daughter's. She's turning 10 months this month, she's already got her own place at the table sharing dinner with the rest of us! She is growing like a bean sprout fed by plutonium! Thanks again! Talk to ya soon!
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Thanks! Yeh, I'm getting a lot of good feedback with these designs. I was hoping to do something nonconventional that would spark a lot of interest, and a few guys mentioned an interest in animal theme helms. Thanks again!
So, all in all, Thanks everyone for all the constant encouragement and support her in my growing endeavor. It is all with all your help that I find the fuel to keep this fire burning!
As far as prices go, I'm still in the very early stages of develoupment with this line, so i'm not really sure what kind of hourly charge is going to be on this helm. But, I charge $80 for my basic corinthians, and these are somewhat more detailed than them, so I'm looking at probably around $115- $125 for a basic design. But it is still early to say for certain what the final price will be, but I plan on putting them into the catalouge for the website, so they should be a regular feature.
Thanks again, all my friends! More exciting develoupments here in the very near future!
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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2008, 01:32:00 am »
I really want a bear helm now. Once you get your site up and I get some money expect a request (although the money thing might take a little while   )
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2008, 04:38:00 pm »
when you are certain upon a final price id love to know id be very interested in getting one of the brown wolf helms.
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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2008, 10:10:00 am »
Will do guys!
Right now, I'm thinking $125 for the wolf helm, but that's not final. I still need to actually build one and see what kind of labor it will require. Shouldn't be anything extremely out of the ordinary though.
Thanks again, everyone.
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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2008, 12:26:00 pm »
*gets a banner* Goooo Ender! Heh.. I'll be the #1 fan. ^.^ I think you're awesomely talented.

Schweet. I have a friend who might be interested in the wolf helm. I'll have to let him know.

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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2011, 01:41:35 am »
Just wanted to know how everything turned out for theses helm ideas, my girlfriend and I would love a Wolf and Bear helm. So if you can please post how much you would want to for them and a way for me to chat with you about them.

Thank you for your time,
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2011, 02:06:09 am »
Enderonimus hasn't logged in since December 23, 2010 so I don't believe he will be available to get in touch. At least not through these boards. You could try PMing him here: http://www.galladorn.proboards.com/ However, I am unsure when he was last online there.

Edit: Late night spelling error...
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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2011, 02:22:08 am »
Also, last time he was on, he ripped a couple of us off on sales of bracers, so I'm not confident in him at all.

And he hasn't been online on either board since about that point in time.

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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2011, 10:17:28 am »
Also, last time he was on, he ripped a couple of us off on sales of bracers, so I'm not confident in him at all.

How'd he rip you off?
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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2011, 11:03:39 am »
Also, last time he was on, he ripped a couple of us off on sales of bracers, so I'm not confident in him at all.

How'd he rip you off?

I can't speak for Bryn. I have personally spoken to two of my friends that have not received products from Enderonimus that were already been paid for. Button Chongo did not receive a helm and Grim from Free Cities did not receive a kidney belt.

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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2011, 07:31:47 pm »
Both I and another in my unit, Zageidh, payed for bracers and never recieved them.

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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2011, 07:46:02 pm »
This is why we need a Buy/Sell/Trade forum where people can post personal information and leave public feedback.
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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2011, 03:46:35 pm »
Or a hunter squad that goes to his house and gets your money back.
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2011, 04:51:12 pm »
Neigemont-Norman volunteers to start the hunter squad!
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